Ahmadinejad: We will destroy Israel soon

If you want to speak to me reply to my posts. Pretty simple.

And you BELIEVE that Israelis are chosen. It doesnt make it true. Your BELIEFS come from a book. Period. You have some serious (*)(*)(*)(*)ing issues man. I call for peace and you want some (*)(*)(*)(*)ing holy war so Jesus can some down and give you cake and candy. You are no better then the Jihadists. YOU are the one that said you would expect Israel to try to kill Obama if he doesnt invade Iran. You are calling for your President to die!

 

Only when combatants used them as bunkers to fire from or hide from attack in. That turned them into acceptable military targets. If the enemy didn't hide in them they wouldn't be targets.

 

Translate it yourself it's only three words. It really isn't that hard to remember three words and find a neutral translator.
Besides other people have posted pictures of Iran demostrators holding up signs that said "death to Israel" spelt out in english. Surely you don't need a translator for that.

For example.

 

Whyever on earth would i do that when i have israel's minister of intelligence clarifying the statement? Are you suggesting meridor is a liar, doesn't know his business, what exactly is your contention.

Oh, so now it's not ahmadinejad but iranian demonstrators and allah (figment of the imagination just like jesus) who want to destroy israel. Got it! LOL

 

Let me help, he is suggesting the the three words in the clip are "Marg-bar Israel" which is Farsi for "Death to Israel" and whatever obsession you have with Meridor, it won't change one letter in this translation.

 

I wasn't jumping between any subjects, I was referring to what you said. I presumed you were exaggerating, which is why I said ''people you dislike'' rather than ''people you detest.''

Racists are people who have not learned that it's best to do to others as they would have others do to them. By not tolerating them you will not help them to see the error of their ways.

Dragging anyone round behind a pick-up would be a criminal act, regardless of race or religion.

Are there any other groups of people you do not apply this to, besides racists?

But that says nothing about Zionism, or how you think it's compatible with Christianity. Particularly as this is not the religion forum, can we stop jumping to other topics regarding religion, and stick to how you think Zionism is compatible with Christianity? You have yet to cite any Biblical references to anything Christ might have said about Israel belonging to Jews.

No.

Of course he does. But a murderer is not a murderer until he murders someone. People are innocent until they commit a crime. I thought you might have inferred that when I said, ''try to see the shades of gray. Hitler or John Gacy would have the same rights as me, up until they committed a crime.''

Does this have anything to do with how you justify Zionism being compatible with Christianity? If so, please provide Biblical references to anything you think Christ said to support your contention.

It has everything to do with not supporting the concept of doing to others as you would have others do to you.

I said, ''foreign military occupation.'' I was referring to the West Bank, none of which is part of Israel, under international law. Therefore it is the Palestinians in the West Bank, who are living under an illegal, according to international law, foreign military occupation.

You have not even addressed the argument I was making. Do you not believe the French had the right to resist the German military occupation in WW2, and that the allies had the right to help them by attacking the sovereign nation of Germany? Perhaps you don't agree that countries should be allied with each other at all?

Timothy McVeigh did not live under a foreign military occupation. He had the choice legal or diplomatic recourse as a US citizen to have his grievances addressed, and chose to be a criminal instead. A criminal in the society in which he himself has a say in what the laws of his society are. The Palestinians (in the West bank and Gaza) have no such status as a citizen of Israel to have their grievances addressed, nor do they have any say in the laws that the ultimately live under. They live under a foreign military law, rather than a domestic civilian law. And that is why they have the right to resist, just as the French did in WW2. Your comparison to Timothy McVeigh is fruitless. Do you expect the police to arrest suspected criminals in the US, or the military to send a plane to blow up their houses?

Who you personally hate, has no bearing on what is righteous.

Good. I'll assume you are a man of your word. If you're short of time, just post those Biblical references to where you think Christ said anything according to the Bible about Israel belonging to Jews. Or failing that, anything at all Christ said, according to the Bible, that you think justifies Christianity being compatible with Zionism.

Dusty

 

If you watched the video you would see that Ahmed was leading the Iranians in the chant.
Stop being so dense.

 

I can hardly believe you posted this nonsense. HAHAHAHAHA

marg bar means "down with" not we're going to nuke them, not we're going to wipe them out, not we're going to blah blah (*)(*)(*)(*)ing blah. You people pull this garbage out of your rectum and then wonder why you have no credibility.

My obsession with meridor begins and ends with his admission that iran never said they wanted to destroy israel. American media could learn a thing or two from that interview, mainly that you can nail a liar to the wall without ever losing your composure.

 

read previous post. <rolling eyes>

 

Let me give you a bit of friendly advice, never presume anything.
(see above). Even if correct, presumption leads to errors and confusion, because its little more than a guess. Eh?

I don’t mean to be nit picking I’m and I am sure you are trying to establish parameters for communicating, however, for some reason your syntax and the way you express yourself (generally influenced by the region you live in) etc is proving difficult to analyze, which makes accurate replies tricky.

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6). Do you know what that bit of scripture means? Anyway, I minister and or witness to someone sane every day. I relate my love for Jesus, if done right Jesus using me to bring a soul to God etc is a lifesaving endeavor, everything else is gravy and will take care of itself. One more thing, when I said I do not tolerate serial killers (mentioned in an earlier post) and ‘racists that drag people behind their trucks’ I used extreme examples purposely, for a reason.

WHAT? Dragging is a criminal act? Lol...Yes, perhaps you understand now why I used the extreme examples. BTW we are all sinners if we are human, no exceptions. That said you seem to expect too much from Christians. As a Christian Zionist I make mistakes, have various personality idiosyncrasies that some may find unchristian as well as have personal shortcomings temptations etc. In other words I am a human being.

Yes but N/A...Hopefully after reading this reply you would not need to ask me that question! All I am saying there are some people I like to be around more than others, so do you. I owe you one presume. So I presume you do not treat everyone equally, not in the way I envision it. No one treats EVERYONE exactly the same. However, all that said, on a spiritual level I consider everyone equal, treat them (the soul) equal and love everyone.

Yes certainly! No need to answer the above. First we should agree on the definition of Zionism, many non Christians and God haters don’t have a clue even though they will adamantly deny that the dictionary definition is correct! So first we must agree on what is Zionism and what is a Christian Zionist ok?

Most dictionary definitions are the same just worded a little differently. I will post the dictionary definition that most closely resembles me and the way I understand it…onward! ~~ >> . Encarta ; Zi·on·ism Zi·on·ism [z&#63307; &#601; nìzz&#601;m] n movement establishing and developing a Jewish state: a worldwide movement Since 1948 its function has been to support the state of Israel. Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) Microsoft Corporation.

Zionist ; Zi·on·ist Zi·on·ist [z&#63307; &#601;nist] n 1. Judaism supporter of a Jewish state: a supporter of 19th-century Zionism, or a modern supporter of the state of Israel. Encarta ® World English Dictionary.

Last Christian Zionism; From the Jewish Virtual Library; Christian Zionism can be defined as Christian support for the Zionist cause — the return of the Jewish people to its biblical homeland in Israel. It is a belief among some Christians that the return of Jews to Israel is in line with a biblical prophecy, and is necessary for Jesus to return to Earth as its king. These Christians are partly motivated by the writings of the Bible and the words of the prophets. Read the entire article here;

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/christianzionism.html

Are those ok ? If not why and please post what you think the definitions are with source.

I do not know how much you know about the bible. To understand biblical prophesy (Israel was prophesied to become a nation after the destruction of the temple) it is helpful to know some basic interpretive methods, and mandatory that you know at least basic bible, I am assuming you have both. To begin with you may not know that the Jewish people are descended from Jacob (Israel), the grandson of Abraham, with whom God established an everlasting covenant.
Genesis 17:7 -

>>>>>>>>>SNIP<<<<<<

Even before I began seminary and before college, around t he time I got my DL, I was exposed to bible prophesy and the stories related to God chosen people and Canaan (Israel before it was named Israel) , lol. I will post bible verse and your responsibility would be to read understand and research it, agreed?

If so here are a few to start with ;

(Exodus 19:5).

Genesis 15:18 ESV
On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, Abram Abraham is the father of Isaac and Ishmael. Isaac went on to father Israel. A covenant means that he promised Israel would belong to Isaacs descendents ie the Jewish people.

Deuteronomy 1:8 ESV
See, I have set the land before you. Go in and take possession of the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them and to their offspring after them.’

'This land' in the scripture above is Israel, of course Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob are Hebrews that created the Jewish people by their seed...God is giving them Israel

Deuteronomy 1:8 ESV
See, I have set the land before you. Go in and take possession of the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them and to their offspring after them.’

(above) God promising Israel to Isaac’s offspring ie the Jewish people.

Numbers 34:1-15 ESV
The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Command the people of Israel, and say to them, When you enter the land of Canaan (this is the land that shall fall to you for an inheritance, the land of Canaan as defined by its borders), your south side shall be from the wilderness of Zin alongside Edom, and your southern border shall run from the end of the Salt Sea on the east. And your border shall turn south of the ascent of Akrabbim, and cross to Zin, and its limit shall be south of Kadesh-barnea. Then it shall go on to Hazar-addar, and pass along to Azmon. And the border shall turn from Azmon to the Brook of Egypt, and its limit shall be at the sea. ...

Self explanatory, Canaan is modern and biblical Israel.

Jeremiah 30:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes
For behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.”

Joshua 1:4 ESV / 2 helpful votes
From the wilderness and this Lebanon as far as the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites to the Great Sea toward the going down of the sun shall be your territory.

(above) ‘Your’ in the last sentence of course means the Hebrew people which became the Jewish people.

All the above are related to Zionism and Gods promises that Israel is OWNED Jewish people who are Gods chosen people.

reva

 

Do you believe Mary was impregnated by a ghost but, miraculously, remained a virgin? How about walking on water, resurrection from the dead? And if so, why?

Oh, and by the way, a prophecy is a prophecy, and, as it is the word of your god, what gives you the right to interpret it to fit your personal paradigm?

 

The chant where he was claiming that a third party (''all the peoples from the southernmost tip of South America to the easternmost point of East Asia''), is saying ''death to Israel''?

What do you think he reckons that third party is going to do to Israel?

Dusty

 

There certainly does seem to be some sort of problem with communication, so I'll try again, and stick to the main points. Perhaps you could point out which ones you disagree with, or do not understand?

1) Christianity is basically about following the teachings of Jesus Christ according to the Bible.

2) Jesus Christ is not born until the start of the New Testament.

3) Christians nor Jews, take the Old Testament / Torah literally. Because neither Christians or Jews think that, for example:

a) all the inhabitants of a town and their livestock, should be killed, and then burned, if it transpires that someone from that town has tried to persuade someone from a neighbouring town to worship a god other than Jehovah, as per Deuteronomy 13:13-19.

b) brides should be stoned on their wedding night if it transpires that they are not virgins, as per Deuteronomy 22:20-21.

c) people who act as fortunetellers should be stoned to death as per Leviticus 20:27.

Now here is the question:

Can you cite anything at all, that Christ said, according to the Bible, that has anything to do with Israel belonging to Jews?

Dusty

 

1. Meridor said no such thing, the interview was about semantics. He said the words "wipe off the map" were not spoken as the idiom does not exist in Farsi. The repeated calls to "erase Israel from the pages of time", "annihilate" Israel, "remove the cancer cell that Israel is" were not and cannot be disputed.

2. How to say "Death to America in Farsi" - "Marg-bar Amreeka! of course in this case it was "Marg-bar Israel". The word "Marg" is Farsi for "Death".

3. Here is a couple of article from the horse's mouth (official iranian news sites). Read and weep:

Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Major General Hassan Reiterates Iran's Commitment to Full Annihilation of Israel

Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map

 

In case anyone has any doubts:

this link translates the word "Death" into Farsi (&#1605;&#1585;&#1711

and this link pronunces the translated Farsi word &#1605;&#1585;&#1711; as 'Marg'

Case closed.

 

Yes, I believe that Mary was made pregnant supernaturally or via a supernormal event, that includes the miracle of the virgin birth. You asked; “How about walking on water?” Yes! as if the waves were made of concrete... “resurrection from the dead?” Yes! And transfiguration while on earth.

Because I believe the explanations of metaphysics (read as religion) such as an intelligent designer creating earth and our universe are just as rational and credible some science theory describing the same thing. For example, The MWI (many worlds interpretation) is a theory who’s implications are as unbelievable as any miracle in the bible. The MWI and a select few other theories most related to string theory claim that other universes may exist, and in these nearly infinite number of universes every conceivable event can or will take place. The old name for it was the 'infinite universe theory'.

So science is telling us with a straight tenured face that somewhere in another universe far far away, or maybe nano meters from us Hitler won WW2 WW3 and WW1000 by equipping his storm troopers with pea shooters. Oh, their uniform was pink and they rode into battle against the FSM on pink unicorns! Need I go on? So, case closed! I could always take science as my God and claim that in a parallel universe somewhere Mary really did give birth to Jesus! If you doubt me just go to your library of Google MWI metaverse infinite universe theories etc. Here is a except from a web site discussing the physics of the thing;
article by Justin Mullins consultant editor at new scientist ;

EXCERPT ;

TWO of the strangest ideas in modern physics - that the cosmos constantly splits into parallel universes in which every conceivable outcome of every event happens, and the notion that our universe is part of a larger multiverse - have been unified into a single theory. This solves a bizarre but fundamental problem in cosmology and has set physics circles buzzing with excitement, as well as some bewilderment.

entire article ; http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028154.200-when-the-multiverse-and-manyworlds-collide.html

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Bible interpretation known as Biblical Exegesis. Its a theological term describing an way or style of interpreting a passage in the Bible by critical analysis. I have four years of study in general theology (comparative religion) and two years of study encompassing Biblical Exegesis and related subjects. Then although my major was not the study of prophesy is my among my favorite biblical subjects, so I do a lot of self study in that area. Lastly I absolutely do not interpret scripture to fit my paradigm, lol! My paradigm fit’s the prophesy, eh? Interpretation of prophesy is just simple common sense if we avoid the technical areas of bible study.

Prophesy is being fulfilled as we live our lives, for proof all we have to do is watch CNN. That said, I am astounded at the level of denial atheists are able to muster when obvious prophetic fulfillment is unfolding. Oh well, I hope this reply answered some of your questions.

reva

 

Same as 1967. Same rhetoric. And they just got Israel into a corner where they had no option BUT to hit first - AND BEAT - all the "surrounding nations"
Then the muslims, who had been out fought, out thought, etc had to blame someone. So they blamed the west. And have been doing ever since.
Then in 1973 they attacked first. Israel STILL beat them. And no doubt will again, only this time, theres more than blowhards like Ahmadinejad, there are bulging eyed drooling extremists running things now. So next time, it WILL go nuclear.

 

I just want to make one last statement on this topic. Because, whereas you people can spend the rest of your life conflating a statement, i have other fish to fry.

This allegation was discredited by a top israeli intelligence official. If you have an issue with that, take it up with meridor who said:

Banners erected and posters carried by demonstrators stating death to or down with israel is a far cry from from the supreme leader ayatollah khamenei (the guy who wears the pants) saying irans' policy is to destroy, nuke, whatever israel.


Ok, don't let me hold you up. By all means carry on!

 

The only ones drooling are your AIPAC senators taking there Judas silver to there AIPAC banks!

And your Talmud friends sucker punching the American nation yet again!

Says a lot about your AIPAC media power!

Mind you, the American Ambassador got the same treatment as Gaddaffi, raped sodomised and hung, executed but instead of NATO troops being in attendance, it was the American Al Queda!!


Regards
Highlander
No fool like an old fool!

 

we were talking about Ahmed not the Ayatollah, but since you brought him up.

[/h]http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/

 

Its time some people were less obvious with there bigotry or at least they should be paid less for there drivel!

Iran has never attacked anyone!

Israel is a parasitic cancer on everything it owns, like America and the 100000 people of influence and a Judas to there own nation. ie senators, congress men and women, the media and bankers!

Iran could annihilate the 3 million talmud owned Nazis in Israel, as they outnumber this Zionist piriah state and have truth and integrity honour and duty to there nation... as a concept!
While Talmud parasites have the Senators to thieve money from the American tax payer to commit genocide on unarmed men women and children.

Typical of reprobates!

But have a nice day!

Highlander

 

No need to accept Jesus .. well not according to Jesus anyway.

Just do good deeds and you will be just fine.

Dont buy into that Pauline nonsense doctrine "salvation by faith alone"

Works are the way into heaven.

 

That missing soviet nuclear material went somewhere. Iran might have a nuke already.

 

Members and Mods please excuse the off topic material ... Mod or thread author I will ask the Mod to move it if you all' find it appro.

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What??? Hmmmmm;

Romans 10:9-13, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Matthew 10:32. "Whosoever therefore shall confess [testify of] me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven"

Ephesians 2:8-10: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ha ha, with all due respect, and I do respect you brother, I don&#8217;t know what I do to make my fellow members feel the need to do the deed, i.e.; to put words into my mouth. That said; Faith alone will beget righteous works that is my mantra concerning the works vs. deeds argument. One could make a good case for us being 'justified' either by works or faith. In the bible the best evidence for paramount is in Romans. Likewise, Acts provides the best evidence for &#8216;works&#8217; is the way to salvation or becoming justified'.

>> excerpt>>> Eph. 2:8-10, "For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. end of excerpt<<<<< .

So in summary it&#8217;s obvious to me anyway, with respect to your dissenting opinion (lol I am getting courtly here [sic]) we are justified and saved by faith not deeds or works.

God bless you and this forum~

reva