America can no longer be trusted

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Naw they just laughed at it...
     
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    Trump Mideast policy is so favorable to Israel, the U.S. can no longer be trusted. The U.S. has been tossed out as a Mideast broker, replaced by Russia.

    After a year and a half of Trump's trade war with China, Wall Street is finally recovering because it appears that the tariffs Trump caused are going to be removed. Millions of dollars were lost during that year and a half period.

    Iran is closer to making a nuke. Why? Because in May 2018, Trump removed the U.S. from a working agreement with Iran called the JCPOA that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Iran has resumed her nuclear research, destroyed the largest oil refinery on the planet, seized and mined ships, and even shot down a very expensive American aircraft all because of Trump's incomprehensible decision and his harsh economic sanctions.

    Trump is anti-Earth. He is removing the U.S. from the Paris Accord, joining thirteen other nations who have not signed the accord, some, like Iran and Turkey, are the largest emitters. He appoints EPA directors who are disenchanted with EPA policies. His appointments are industry friendly, kind of like the fox in the hen house scenario.

    Trump's policies with respect to NATO, Ukraine, Turkey, the Assad regime in Syria, and the Middle East strongly favor Russia. Trump has never admitted that Russia interfered in our 2016 election, and he is severely critical of our intelligence agencies and the FBI.

    In short, Trump gives new meaning to the term, incompetence.
     
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    No, like you, Trump's fans avoided the issues. They still are. Trump's fans stay loyal because they avoid Trump, and what he says and does. This thread proves it.
     
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    Matter of opinion sir Allies that think ripping you off is acceptable aren't Allies.

    You can fight a trade war now or real war with China in ten years or so.

    And you wanted to abandon SA not that long ago, and any one in the Middleast that things Russia Trust Worthy is an idiot.
     
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    I am for getting out of about all our foreign entanglements
    There is a fair amount of disagreement on that point.
    "Withdrawing from the Paris Agreement is nothing to complain about. This move does not hamper efforts to address the threat of climate change, as serious climate policy analysts acknowledge. The agreement did little if anything to accelerate decarbonization here or abroad—and this is no surprise, as it did not require much of anything from member countries other than the submission of non-binding plans of some sort or other. It was a symbolic measure (at best) or (more likely) a misleading facade of cliamte action masking business-as-usual."
    https://reason.com/2019/11/06/forget-paris-it-was-never-a-serious-way-to-handle-climate-change/

    You can find many editorials along the same line.
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    Utter nonsense. Your willingness shovel out the same balderdash ad infinitum does not make it incumbent upon me to disprove it again.
     
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    Which part of that is a reason for us to provide troops, equipment and funding for Europe's defense? We can engage in counterintelligence and nuclear MAD from home.
     
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    And how many of allies were ready to jump in militarily and support the Kurds with us?
     
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    How many of our allies supported us in iraq and Afghanistan?
     
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    So, why is Trump removing the U.S. from the Mideast (see OP) and entrusting Russia in the region? His Israeli policy and his retreat from Syria and abandonment of the Kurds only enhances Russia. Putin is pleased with Trump's decisions. His naval base in Syria is secure, and so is the Black Sea passage into the Med, as relations with Turkey have improved because of Trump's decisions.

    There is no question that Trump is a totally incompetent President.
     
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    He isn't.
     
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    So the moron frog is whining about the US not supporting terrorists like Syrian Kurds in a dispute with our NATO ally the Turks? Is this frog really that dumb? America needs to leave NATO, those people are too stupid to be connected with the use of force that could have any potential risk to US lives...
     
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    What is fair.?
    You have selected a time period long after Most other countries tired of the project. The fact is that after 9-11. We had friends who supported us. Even in the UN!

    Even if you have friends... other countries not to have the appetite for unending wars that we seem to have. It is not a measure of lack of friendship that they do want endless war

    Just out of curiosity.... let’s suppose there was some new 9-11 style attack.... do you think we would have the same support now as we had after 9-11.

    I think not. We have made it pretty clear that we are now only interested in America first.... and there is no reason that other countries would not feel the same about their countries. And so, if America were attacked... that would be our problem, not theirs

    and, btw, we did not spend blood and treasure supporting the Kurds.... so there was not any need for allies to help us out
     
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    Realistically? Does guardian have info supporting such?
     
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    :rolleyes: I don't know where to begin.
     
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    When you say "America", I'm assuming you mean American politicians?
     
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    How did the United States of America become the World's sole super power? Any idea?
     
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    It doesn't matter.

    Take Vietnam, Korea, WWII, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan.

    In all of these wars and conflicts, the US provided far more resources and support than our allies.
     
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    And then he made the entire world unsafe by all but guaranteeing that Iran can build a nuclear bomb. The great peace maker Obama has made it clear that America cannot be trusted to keep the world safe, but the Great Trump shall do what he can do erase Obama from our memories.
     
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    Trump could be impeached before Christmas. Unfortunately, the Framers never imagined a President like Trump, and so they did not include incompetence in their grounds for impeachment, only "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

    That said, if the House impeaches and if the Senate removes Trump -- not likely under current circumstances -- it would be good riddance to an incompetent President.

    Allow me to illustrate with a few examples, in a matter of speaking, the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

    Trump Mideast policy is so favorable to Israel, the U.S. can no longer be trusted. The U.S. has been tossed out as a Mideast broker, replaced by Russia.

    After a year and a half of Trump's trade war with China, Wall Street is finally recovering because it appears that the tariffs Trump caused are going to be removed. Millions of dollars were lost during that year and a half period.

    Iran is closer to making a nuke. Why? Because in May 2018, Trump removed the U.S. from a working agreement with Iran called the JCPOA that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Iran has resumed her nuclear research, destroyed the largest oil refinery on the planet, seized and mined ships, and even shot down a very expensive American aircraft all because of Trump's incomprehensible decision and his harsh economic sanctions.

    Trump is anti-Earth. He is removing the U.S. from the Paris Accord, joining thirteen other nations who have not signed the accord, some, like Iran and Turkey, are the largest emitters. He appoints EPA directors who are disenchanted with EPA policies. His appointments are industry friendly, kind of like the fox in the hen house scenario.

    Trump's policies with respect to NATO, Ukraine, Turkey, the Assad regime in Syria, and the Middle East strongly favor Russia. Trump has never admitted that Russia interfered in our 2016 election, and he is severely critical of our intelligence agencies and the FBI.

    In short, Trump gives new meaning to the term, incompetence.
     
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    With respect to these issues, it should be noted that not one Trump supporter has been able to defend. Some, like Trump, have been critical of our allies and NATO. Most have tried to change the subject. Trump supporters will talk to anyone not named Trump.

    All this begs a question. Why do they support Trump? They honestly don't know.
     
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    That's it? The issues mentioned in my analysis clearly shows Trump's incompetence, and, as a Trump supporter, that is all you have to say?

    Do you know why you support Trump? Please inform us. We are all ears.

    This same message could easily go out to every Trump fan.
     
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    This post is irrelevant.
     
  25. jcarlilesiu

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    Only because it is inconvenient to your argument.

    The fact is, the world has been completely reliant on the United States to fund with blood and treasure the defense of the world. NATO is no exception. We are always asked to the party so we can buy the drinks. NATO has been woefully unsupported militarily by our allies. If calling them out causes them (and you) to say we can't be trusted... so be it.

    They need to step up to the plate. Tired of the one sided "friendship".
     

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