American ambassador in Germany Richard Grenell insults Germany just hours after taking office

Oh, nothing wrong to threat german corporations and give orders in army style?

And no, this does not show childishness of our government. It shows that we react good against harassment. This idiot is put in his place.

 

It actually is. That moron now posts apologist stuff.

Look, we also have the right to speak bluntly and openly. He is bluntly labelled an idiot and non-person and gets belittled as moron. Cant remember last time an ambassador of any countrynwas treated in such a way. He even got called to be "as idiotic as his boss".

 

Jesus, that was a good reply. It's so difficult to discuss because the American citizen is being held hostage by its own government. "Take one step closer and we'll kill him!" OK, I am not American so you can say it doesn't matter to me whether you "kill him" or not. But it does matter to me. I know people from most places in the US so even if I were to decide that one well-placed behemoth nuclear bomb dropped on the US would be the first domino necessary (and inevitable) in removing the biggest hurdle to achieving world peace and prosperity ....... where exactly would I choose to drop it? I don't even WANT to drop it so how am I suppose to make that decision?

 

That's right.

 

I think I hear a euro on the line here

Lifting the sanctions may put money in your country’s pocket now but a nuclear iran will be a problem for the whole world

The sanctions were hurting iran and forced them to postpone their nuclear ambitions

But a slight delay is all the deal accomplished

 

Will you stop trade with Saudi Arabia as well?

The sanctions you want would only hurt Germany but not you. Ironic, isn´t it?

Sarah Wagenknecht made the best comment about all this.

What we witness is the last days of the american hegemony. The americans are finished. isolated and at an end. Unable to convince their allies, they only have empty threats left. Germany openly distances itself from them and doesnt follow anymore. Same counts for France, the UK and the entire EU. The americans have an ambassador who coems to Germany and his first act is to threaten german companies. This is not about Iran. This is about a isolated country that has not found its new place as one of many yet. "


And she is exactly right about that. You dont threaten allies. Nobody could tell me here how USA plans to compensate German losses because those sanctions. Also nobody could tell me what kind of alliance this is, when USA decides and demands all others to follow? Thats tyranny.

So explain me, you want Germany step back here, give up its own interests to do as you wish. At which point will you step back and do what is our interest in return? Or is an alliance for you that other nations act liek vasalls?

So explain, in which areas will you step back and accept our interests to equalize this "alliance".

And does "American first" mean Germany last?

 

Exactly, if US does not follow the agreement with Iran, it will free hands in further development of nuclear technologies. So this would be exactly a problem for the whole world. Iran complied with the agreement (at least noone noticed opposite), but US does everything that it did not comply. What for? Apparently it wants to have another justification for a war in the ME. EU will be definetely out of this shittt and will not support US.

 

I think it became evident that US is not ally to Germany when it was disclosed that the telephone calls of Germany chancellor Angela Merkel were tracked by the US security services. Allies do not do that to each other. Less, as you said, they threat with the sanctions and give orders of what need to be done by EU, and specifically by Germany.

 

I dont blame them for tapping phones. We do the same and tapped Clinton.

But making threats to allies is the end. USA is finished. They want hurt their Allies and enrich on their cost and now react angry when all their ideas get dismissed and they get isolated and cast aside.

 

Penis envy is growing very strong in germany

The US has as much to lose by reemposing sanctions on iran as germany does

But sanctions are not war

They are a way of avoiding war

The iranians must not be allowed to go nuclear

That helps no one except the muslim fanatics

 

Iran has no reason not to comply

In 7 years it can go nuclear and that is a very short time in the course of world events

 

I asked you a question. Germany sees Saudi Arabia as biggest terror sponsor. We stopped all military delivery there. We demand same from you.

Will you?

And no, there is no envy, just absolute disgust how low your country has fallen.

So simple question, what sense makes this alliance when its core principle is America First, Germany last?

 

Europe has always been a den of snakes

So your big news is not news to me at all

 

Ok, you have chosen your side with iran so thst automatically makes saudi arabia your enemy - along with the United States

This will not end well

 

Back off, Mac. "Euros" have just as much a bite off the subject - probably even more than you.

Explain how.

You're right there. But that deal is nonetheless what you guys wished about NK, don't you? Iran will be much more difficult to bully once it has nukes.

Besides, it looks like the lifting of sanctions were not really felt on the Iranian people. You are right; was a bad deal - for Iran. Iran is ripe for regional hegemony in the ME.

 

I think waging Arameggeden in the persian gulf and in Israel will hurt the euros and cost them more meney than they are making now by trading with iran

But leading up to the final battle of world history iran will merely trigger a nuclear arms race wuth the moderate arabs

So dont celibrate persian hegmony too soon

 

You have only two countries on your side Israel and the Saudi ISIS head choppers.

We dont side with Iran. We have a treaty with them and we dont side with an opressive tyrant.

I ask again, do you think making threats against allies is ok? I also want to know if USA should also take our interests into consideration or do you want us as vassals?

Also does America first, mean Germany last?

In which areas would you make concessions towards us?

 

No one has threatened you

On this forum you are the one who likes to brag about all the assistance germany has given to iran

Such as shooting down our drone

 

The drone was not shot down. It was jammed and then hacked and landed.

And yes, USA does threaten us. US also doesnt take the interests of its allies into consideration.

In which aspects will Trump accept German interests, tell me please. Im interested to know.

How do you want convince us, that America first does not mean Germany last?

 

The irony here is that America never wanted to be a superpower

But two world wars involving the euros and the rise of the soviet union forced us into that role

Now the euros sneer at us when they think our position on the world stage is finished

Maybe our time is up

But without the US as world policeman I think we will see something much worse

Time will tell

 

Yes we do

But the euros are so short sighted all they want is a quick profit today and to hell with the future

 

Ah now we go the "we know whats best for you" route? Are you kidding me? Evrything Germany predicted turned out right and evrything USA did in middle east ended in desaster.

You want Germany to not build the Nordstream 2 pipeline and you want that we buy american gas instead. Then you cry when we dismiss this.

You want us to break a treaty with Iran and give up several billion € business.

You want put tariffs on our products and only stopped that when we forced tariffs on american products.

You break treaties we signed without even consultating us.

So tell me in which area will you put our interests first? Do you want Germany as partner or vassal?

 

The current chaos in the ME is the result of an obvious lack of balance in power. Iran having the nukes will serve as a counterbalance to Israel's, and it will keep wahabists, who thrive on chaos, checked.

The one evil, paranoid nuclear power that aggress all of its neighbours all the time, and does threaten the ME with armaggeddon isn't Iran.

It's Israel.

 

Again, you have chosen your side and contrary to what you claim, no one is bullying you to change your mind

But America is a far bigger market than iran

And if I might suggest, you need us as an ally more than you need iran

 

Iran threatens Israel but also anyone else in the world that does not submit to their islamic sect

Greedy euros in which I include canada think only in terms of profit and comfort

But iran exists to serve allah

and die for allah when the time comes