American Legion Joins VFW Call for Congressional Investigation of Israel Attack on USS Liberty

Despite the fact you have been shown evidence, why are you simply making stuff up now?

 

I've seen no evidence in this or other threads that wasn't from a source pushing an anti Israel agenda. You know I do go to these links provided and read them. So far.

1) One link is to a site promoting 9-11 Truther BS.
2) The one claiming the U.S. has spent TRILLIONS in supporting Israel is a site that claims directed energy weapons were used to start the recent California wildfires.

Be honest, would you take either of those sources seriously?

 

The Lavon Affair. More than SIXTY years ago. I've seen nothing about any other imaginary "Black Flag" operation.

 

You can't even get the definition of a Black Flag attack correctly. A "Black Flag" attack in the case involving the U.S.S. Liberty would involve Israeli planes disguised as Egyptian ones. Not even you suggest this occurred.

 

You're right.

One of the multiple motives for the deliberate Israeli massacre of the Liberty's crew was to hide other War Crimes committed by IDF in Israel's long planned land grab of 1967.(1), (2)


"Historians: Israeli Troops Killed Hundreds Of Egyptian POWs"
https://www.apnews.com/25ac46caafc811c70c9367f04ef136fb

EXCERPT "Military historian Aryeh Yitzhaki told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Israeli troops carried out several mass killings in 1967 in which some 1,000 Egyptian prisoners were killed in the Sinai.

Yitzhaki, who worked in the army’s history department after the war, said he and other officers collected testimony from dozens of soldiers who admitted killing POWs.

In one incident, on June 9-10, 1967, some 400 Egyptian and Palestinian prisoners were killed in the sand dunes of El Arish, Yitzhaki said. He said it began when some of the prisoners opened fire after surrendering and shot dead two Israeli soldiers.

He said Israeli soldiers ``became angry and fired at every Egyptian and Palestinian ... for several hours,″ Yitzhaki said. ``Commanders lost control over the force.″

Yitzhaki said there were six or seven other incidents in which Israeli troops opened fired on POWs, usually after ``provocations.″

Yitzhaki said a report on the killings submitted to his superiors has been locked away in a safe at military headquarters.

``The whole army leadership, including (then) Defense Minister Moshe Dayan and Chief of Staff Rabin and the generals knew about these things. No one bothered to denounce them,″ Yitzhaki said.

Yitzhaki said some of the soldiers involved in the killings were under the command of Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, now housing minister. Ben-Eliezer’s spokeswoman, Ofra Preuss, said the minister ``does not know anything″ about such killings.

Another Israeli historian, Uri Milstein, said there were many incidents in the 1967 war in which Egyptian soldiers were killed by Israeli troops after they had raised hands in surrender.

``It was not an official policy, but there was an atmosphere that it was OK to do it,″ said Milstein, a member of the New York Academy of Sciences. ``Some commanders decided to do it, others refused. But everyone knew about it.″CONTINUED




(1) "Israel provoked the Six-Day War in 1967, and it was not fighting for survival"
https://mondoweiss.net/2017/06/provoked-fighting-survival/

EXCERPT "Finkelstein emphasizes that no genuine academic today, whatever their political orientation, endorses the Mainstream Narrative. He starts by identifying what he has called the “Two Biggest Lies.”

* The truth is that Nasser and the other Arab leaders had absolutely no intention of invading Israel in June 1967.

* And Israel’s existence was never in the slightest doubt, as both Israeli and American leaders knew that Israel could easily win any conflict, even against a coalition of Arab states."CONTINUED


(2) "Israel’s attack on Egypt in June ’67 was not ‘preemptive’"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.co...ttack-on-egypt-in-june-67-was-not-preemptive/

EXCERPT "It is often claimed that Israel’s attack on Egypt that began the June 1967 “Six Day War” was a “preemptive” one. Implicit in that description is the notion that Israel was under imminent threat of an attack from Egypt. Yet this historical interpretation of the war is not sustained by the documentary record."CONTINUED

 

That will do it just about every time.

 

The evidence I gave you did not come from either of the sites you describe, it came from Wikipedia a source you have used and the NYT.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-on-uss-liberty.548515/page-6#post-1070074926
Why do you keep making things up?

 

You didn't know the difference between the USS Pueblo & the USS Liberty until last week ....... LOL

Now you're confusing "Black Ops" with "False Flags". Go look both of them up.

 

IIRC your post said there were ALLEGATIONS of Israel killing POWs. Not actual proof they did so.

The account that Grau linked to and one that I looked up myself indicates that one of the most famous killings of POWs by Israel was in an incident where POWs still armed killed two Israeli soldiers. Which means the POW killings were fully justified thereafter.

 

The attack on the Liberty came during the Suez crisis, the last time that Israel had invaded Egypt, do you not recognise the significance of that. Your ignorance of that and other False Flag attacks is not my issue!

 

I have linked the post for you so you did not have to recall anything falsely again. Please stop this falsification.

 

You can't be serious. The attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was during the 1967 Six Day War. A decade after the Suez Crisis. How can you get that wrong?!?!?

 

The Lavon affair was what I meant to say, and if you knew anything at all about context in the sentence you would of understood that. Now do you understand that the Lavon Affair and the Attack on the Liberty happened whilst Israel was attacking Egypt?

 

So? Look at a map. Israel must always attack. They have no territory to trade for time. They don't have the population to absorb fatalities to trade for time. Israel by the nature of geography has to fight its wars on the territory of its neighbors. No matter what the niceties of international law supposedly dictate.

Yeah you mix up the Lavon Affair and the attack on the Liberty. Different types of incidents separated by a decade.

I mix up, U.S.S. Liberty and U.S.S. Pueblo. Both U.S. intelligence vessels attacked within about a year of each other. Yet one of your fellow travelers in this thread bitches about it constantly.

Hypocritical much.

 

You're right. That would explain that one incident but does not excuse the whole scale & systematic extermination of thousands of Egyptian POWs
The discovery by the Liberty of these IDF POW massacres does, however provide a motive for the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty.


"1967 War: How a euphoric Israeli victory turned into a nightmare"
https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/node/63818
Censored reporting of Israeli war crimes
EXCERPT "The Israeli army’s treatment of Egyptian prisoners during the six days of war and the period following is also scarcely reported. Because its strategy depended on a surprise attack and a mad dash across Egyptian Sinai, Israeli forces had no capacity for tending to the tens, or even hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers who were left in the rear.

One of the methods Israel used to deal with the Egyptian prisoners was rounding them up and killing them en masse

With little provision for tending to prisoners or transporting them to prisoner of war camps, one of the methods Israel used to deal with the Egyptians was rounding them up and killing them en masse. Some historians of the war estimate that as many as 10,000 Egyptian soldiers may have been murdered after they surrendered.

Author and journalist James Bamford’s Body of Secrets claims that the Israeli air force attacked the USS Liberty on 8 June 1967 because it had monitored communications traffic proving Israel had slaughtered 1,000 prisoners at El Arish."CONTINUED

 

So yet again when faced with the truth you fall back to "so what, Israel can do what it wants". You argue over and over then when proved wrong shout "I do not care"

Nope, it was simple error born of the frustration of having to explain everything to you. And it was not different types of incident, a fact you have still not grasped!

I have not mentioned your mistake, not once, so where is the hypocrisy? I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt. You like the Jewish State believe in guilt by association.

 

No, nothing excuses execution of prisoners. However, incidents like that will cause distrust and any small incident can lead to mass slaughter. When nations around you have the goal of eliminating you from existence, your level of tolerance goes down very quickly.

This reminded me of a fellow US Air Force member who was a Hungarian refugee. He was in a line of refugees moving up a road near the end of WWII in Europe. The column was being guarded by the US military on the ground and US Air Force aircraft flying overhead. Someone in the column opened fire on the P-51 Mustang. He said that Mustang made a quick turn and strafed the column. Surprisingly, he had no animosity towards the pilot, but understood his reaction.

Given the general hate of Israel by the surrounding countries, sympathy and humanity tends to go out the window.

 

Yes, never understood why the zionists choose to steal land where they did.

A better analogy is that a group take over half an apartment in an apartment block then moan because the original residents want the apartment back and all the other residents in the block support the original residents.

 

Neither has a thing to do with my point. When you are in a war where the goat is not merely to win the war, but to terminate your existence as a person and a nation, your tolerance and humanity tends to become secondary to your other emotions.

 

How would the Israeli Defense Force know that the Liberty had discovered evidence of POW massacres?

Was this being transmitted by the Liberty prior to the attack?

 

Absolutely correct, however you have to wonder why the Zionists put themselves in that position, that is my point!

 

Arguments about how people and countries got to where they are tend to be useless. The arguments tend to go on forever with no resolution which pretty much accounts for my resistance to start with. The fact is the Israels are surrounded by countries who are determined to end their existence. Arguing about how they got there will not change a thing.

 

Remember "The High Chaparral".

 

No, however I rather suspect you are the type of person who would normally say you make your own decisions and live with the consequences.

 

Is that supposed to be relevant?