American Legion Joins VFW Call for Congressional Investigation of Israel Attack on USS Liberty

Because of provocation from Israel, including the attack in 1966 on Al-Suma village, Nasser looked like he was ineffective and Israel was walking all over him. Israel was never under any real threat, but in order to carry on the way it does it plays the victim and attacks. Now if you wish to discuss the start of the six day massacre more start a thread. It was enough to establish Isreal lied to the UN, The White House and the world in the context of this thread.

 

Why are you so against Israel establishing a secure border and defeating likely threats?

 

Happy to discuss with you in a separate thread, start one. I have discussed this over and over on the forum.

 

There was no provocation. It was false reports from Egypt’s pals in the USSR

 

Pure fantasy. Now start another thread I have shown Israel lied that was all that matters in the context of this thread.

 

What? That's actually 100 percent why Egypt forcablely removed the UN, sent troops to the border and closed the Strait. The USSR gave them false intel saying that Israel was building up at the border of Syria, planning to invade.

 

LOL, defeating likely threats. Yeah, those unarmed and pitiful Palestinians are really a threat to Israel.

The Tel Aviv government is a criminal organization. AIPAC should be registered as an agency of a foreign government, but Israeli interests control the federal government too.

 

What crimes has the Israeli government committed? They won the West Bank in a fairly fought war that they did not start. They certainly did not start the war with Jordan whom they took the West Bank from.

Do you want me to look up and post how many Israelis those "pitiful Palestinians" have killed over the years?

You are engaged in "deifying the supposed victims" whether they deserve it or not.

 

If you would please read carefully the document I posted you will note that investigations have not included: "No US governmental entity has ever undertaken an investigation into the culpability for the attack."

The operative word, then, is "culpability" and because of that the already traumatized & physically mutilated Liberty survivors have been betrayed & abused buy their own government and slandered by militant Zionists & virulent, disloyal Israel Firsters as "anti Semites", "crazy", liars etc.

Those who have experienced anything like what the Liberty crew experienced endure sweat inducing nightmares & quietly carry horrific memories that require closure for even a small measure of psychological healing.
A genuine, honest and thorough disclosure of what happened that day is long overdue for the Liberty's crew and exoneration of the courageous & ethical Israeli pilot(1) who refused to participate in the massacre.

I'm sure that if, as you say "...we've done it." that the VFW and American Legion would not have been persuaded to support requesting an investigation.



(1) "Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED

 

I did read it...it's simply wrong...for example here's the President;s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board's report to Congress...http://www.thelibertyincident.com/clifford.html

I'm sure they suffered...just like other soldiers have...with that said...part of the pain and suffering was compensated with monies Israel has paid

 

Start another thread and stop derailing this one.

 

Sorry...didn't mean to drop some facts in it

 

That is alright, you did not. It is difficult to understand just how much you have been lied to when you are invested in the liars narrative.

 

Clark Clifford, whose summary you cited was a known participant in the cover up
Your source was from the debunked A. Jay Cristol's blog & is more thoroughly refuted by:
"Cristol Claim of 13 Investigations Into Israel’s Attack on USSLiberty a Travesty"
https://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/ul-okeefe.html

No, the degradation & betrayal of the Liberty crew survivors was not like that experienced by other combat veterans because of their orders not to speak of their experiences to anyone, not even family members. The medals they received were presented in secret ceremonies and disloyal US military officials continued to revile them as delusional anti Semites simply for reporting what they experienced that day.
I know for a fact that other combat veterans have not been so dismally abused by their own governments & agents of a foreign country.

In spite of Clifford's participation in the Cover-Up, he states:

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  • “That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable”
    — Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson
  • “Inconceivable that it was an accident 3 strafing passes, 3 torpedo boats. Set forth facts. Punish Israelis responsible”
    — Clark Clifford, Secretary of Defense under Lyndon Johnson, in Minutes of NSC Special Committee Meeting, 9 June 1967
  • (see below)

"Who Says the June 8, 1967 Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty Was Deliberate?"
https://usslibertyveteransblog.com/...eli-attack-on-the-uss-liberty-was-deliberate/
EXCERPT:
The following is a partial list of individuals and groups supporting the position that the June 8, 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was deliberate

This is the group that Israeli Apologist Ahron Jay Cristol calls “conspiracy theorists”

• “I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation . . . through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn’t believe them then, and I don’t believe them to this day. the attack was outrageous.”
  — US Secretary of State Dean Rusk
• “Accidents don’t occur through repeated attacks by surface vessels and aircraft. It obviously was a decision made pretty high up on the Israeli side, because it involved combined forces. the ship was flying an American flag. my judgment was that somewhere along the line some fairly senior official gave the go ahead. I personally did not accept the Israeli explanation.”
  — US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, recorded interview, www.ussliberty.org
• “…the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty.”
  — CIA Director Richard Helms in his book A Look Over My Shoulder
• “It was no accident.”
  — CIA Director Richard Helms in interview for Navy Times, 6/26/2002. Asked to say more, Helms remarked that he did not want to spend the rest of his life testifying in court about the attack." CONTINUED

 

My sentiments exactly.

 

My source was a PDF of the actual report. Clifford wasn't the only one on the Board.

I'm fine with Dean Rusk (who has quite a bit of his own issues) not being satisified with what Israel said...that's why we had an investigation.

I am just curious though....what's your position? You think Israel attacked us on purpose? One of the few allies they had against the Arabs? Why? Why would they do that?

 

Yes, how could it be anything but deliberate?

Multiple Israeli planes circled the clearly marked ship for 8 hours before a deliberate attack that lasted 2 hours. The Israelis even strafed the life rafts while crew members were trying to evacuate the wounded which is a war crime(1)

If it were not deliberate, why would the Israelis use unmarked planes during the initial attack and deliberately jam all 5 American emergency radio channels known only to the Israelis & Americans(2)

Recently declassified tapes and reported in the Chicago Tribune (3) erase any shadow of doubt that the Israeli's knew they were killing Americans:

"Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident"
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...erty-no-accident/article/414951#ixzz5bdyQJouQ

EXCERPT "A Special Report by the Chicago Tribune details declassified cables, from the Israeli State Archive, which add further evidence that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship as it attacked the USS Liberty.

And Steve Forslundan, an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, said that the Israeli military:

“"made specific reference to the efforts to direct the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times by the ground controller. Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying. There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace."

"The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?' And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'"CONTINUED


As to the motive for the deliberate Israeli attack, there have been several mentioned.
I believe one motive was similar to an earlier Israeli betrayal, the Lavon Affair, and that was to deceive the US into attacking Egypt.
Another motive has been suggested that the Israelis didn't want the US to hear of IDF executing Egyptian POWs or of its failure to adhere to multiple Cease Fires.

At any rate, the motive is not as distressing as the scope of the enormous cover up from which all Americans should learn the degree to which Israeli agents influence & manipulate the highest levels of US policy making to America's severe detriment.

I believed you mentioned that you did not object to a full scale investigation in which case we have no argument.

Since I served in Laos during the Viet Nam war and remember the abuse heaped upon returning Viet Nam G.I.s, I am especially sympathetic to the cause of these slandered & betrayed USS Liberty survivors.


(1) "Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty"
Prepared by the Independent Commission of Inquiry

http://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/ul-qa.html

EXCERPT "After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range."CONTINUED


(2) "The Moorer Report"
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Moorer_Report

EXCERPT "2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;"CONTINUED


(3) "NEW REVELATIONS IN ATTACK ON AMERICAN SPY SHIP"
https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html#page=1

 

Considering that Glau's main "sources" are crazy conspiracy sites I doubt he has thought this through. It comes down to ISRAEL IS EVIL!!

All for an incident from FIFTY years ago.

 

No, for way more than the Liberty attack is Israel guilty of crimes against humanity. Things beyond your comprehension.

 

Sure you did. Sure.

Why can't you find better sources than wild eye conspiracy sites that

A) One is a 9-11 Truther site.
B) The other (the one claiming the U.S. has spent TRILLIONS supporting Israel) claims that the California wildfires were started by directed energy weapons.

And claiming U.S.S. Liberty personnel made mistakes is not slander nor betrayal. And despite what you've claimed, not all the U.S.S. Liberty survivors agree with the claims of a deliberate premeditated Israeli attack.

 

Complete BS. Building houses on disputed territory is hardly a crime against humanity.

 

Don't bother asking. They'll bring up the "Lavon Affair" from more than a decade earlier in which no one was killed.

Then they'll claim that Israel wanted the U.S. to attack Egypt. Despite the fact that by the time of the U.S.S. Liberty attack Egypt was utterly defeated.

The supposed "superpatriot" up thread already mentioned that. Then of course they'll claim the Israelis massacred Egyptian POWs despite no evidence of such massacres ever happening exist.

 

Except the Chicago Tribune link does not say what you claim.

 

Well, Israel's deliberate use of unmarked planes would suggest another False Flag attack but I don't think that the "why" is as important as the "who", as it "who" in Israel's government ordered the deliberate massacre of 294 American G.I.s.

- Who are the traitors in the US that were & remain complicit in the cover up & abuse of the Liberty crew members?

- Why haven't these de facto Israeli agents been exposed & prosecuted as the traitors they are?

- To what degree did Israeli lobbies perpetuate this & other cover ups?

- Why was LBJ so terrified of Israeli agents that he was willing to sacrifice almost 300 American lives?

- What happened to the courageous & ethical Israeli pilot who refused to participate in the mass murder?

- Will the stranglehold that Israeli lobbies have over US Congress prevent the thorough investigation of this betrayal & closure for the crew

 

Do you dispute that the Jewish State carried out Black Flag operations lying to the whole world about who was responsible and attempting to blame others?
Really, is your only excuse "no one was killed" Really?