American Legion Joins VFW Call for Congressional Investigation of Israel Attack on USS Liberty

Sure....think it's weird, buy sure they are certainly free to ask for another investigation...they've been doing so pretty much yearly....nothing really new about it.

 

And I could spend the rest of my life worrying about them. I could argue endlessly, and have. It all accomplished nothing. No minds were changed. Those that have conspiracy theories will never be convinced otherwise and I can't believe them all and they all appear to be true on the surface, if you believe what is presented.. If they were all true, we would have all been dead by now or the US would have been the worse country ever to exist. Every time I think I have heard it all, I hear another one more outrageous than the last.

 

Now you are being silly....but yes soviegn nations do get to draw red lines....Egypt didn't have to block the Strait, they did it knowing it was an Act of war against Israel....and had since the end of the last Arab-Israel War.

What did they lie about? Are you saying Egypt didn't in fact block the Strait?

 

I have detailed the lies already.

 

Not disdain for the US veterans. Not belief, not disbelief. Just an honest doubt that everything eye witnesses report is accurate and the chances of being accurate in an investigation fifty years after the fact will result in anything more than more doubt and more hate.

 

the war started when Egypt committed an Act of War..granted they were given false intel from the Soviets

 

Israel lied, that is the point and you are avoiding it.

 

So....Egypt committed an act of war against them....I could really careless about them then saying they didn't fire first. Egypt had no business expelling the UN and marching to the border and closing the Strait. Israel had every right to defend itself from that aggression.

 

Another one incapable of accepting the simple fact that Israel lied, even when shown the truth. No doubt you support the terrorist scum Begin?

 

I never said I couldn't accept it...I said I simply didn't care....the reality is the Arab's had already used forced to expel the UN forces, and blocked the Strait...where they suppose to wait to die first?

 

1. Read the OP. There never was a full scale Congressional investigation of Israel's deliberate yet failed attempt to sink our USS Liberty and "...leave no survivors."
Any loyal American would be furious at this additional betrayal & deliberate mass murder of American G.I.s

2. Nonsense. I've already supported my assertion that Israeli lobbies have cost Americans $ Trillions. (1)
Meanwhile, the vast majority oppose the additional $38 Billion "aid" package(2) which is on top of the $Billions Israel receives yearly.

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Why, then, it Israel the 7th largest Arms exporter in the world(3) if it can only buy US military equipment?

3. No, the record is not "straight". That's why loyal American Veterans want justice for the long slandered, abused & betrayed Liberty crew members. What have you got against loyal American Veterans who help provide your freedom of speech to lie about us?


(1) “The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion”
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.palestine/2005-08/msg00005.html

EXCERPT “While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3
billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government,
this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of
dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the
surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S.
support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3
trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars. “CONTINUED


(2) “81% of Americans Oppose $38 Billion Pledge to Israel”
http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2016/09/19/81-americans-oppose-38-billion-pledge-israel/

EXCERPT “A solid majority of Americans would redirect $38 billion the Obama Administration pledged to Israel toward other priorities.
An IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys reveals 80.8 percent of the US adult Internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.

- Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by

- education spending (20.1 percent) and

- paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).

- Rebuilding US infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while

- funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.

- Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.”CONTINUED


(3) "Israel is 7th largest arms exporter in the world"
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5174345,00.html

 

1) yes there has been, by the House and the Senate.
2) The link you used to support, the $38 million pledge by the Obama admin, was for military financing for American products.
and exporter is the opposite of an importer...they are importing on military products with that $38 million from the Obama admin
3) I have no problem with the VFW and American Legion members voting to lobby for another Congressional investigation...they are certainly entitled to do that.

 

Why the double standard about eyewitness accounts? You don't doubt eyewitness accounts of holocaust survivors, why should America's Liberty survivor accounts be any less credible?

A final, thorough & honest Congressional investigation today would be more accurate with the declassification of tapes proving that the Israelis knew that they were murdering Americans(1), (2).

Americans deserve to know the truth about the trustworthiness of the governments they fund and protect.
How much longer do you want to deceive Americans about the treachery of America's most insidious parasite and most rapacious back stabber?



(1)"Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident"
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...erty-no-accident/article/414951#ixzz5bdyQJouQ

EXCERPT "A Special Report by the Chicago Tribune details declassified cables, from the Israeli State Archive, which add further evidence that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship as it attacked the USS Liberty.

And Steve Forslundan, an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, said that the Israeli military:

“"made specific reference to the efforts to direct the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times by the ground controller. Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying. There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace."

"The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?' And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'"CONTINUED


(2) "NEW REVELATIONS IN ATTACK ON AMERICAN SPY SHIP"
https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html#page=1

 

Oh c'mon--we are all into conspiracy theories. Some buy into official and authoritarian conspiracy theories, whilst others buy into unofficial theories. Humans love CT.

 

The Holocaust was investigated and verified immediately after it occurred. The Liberty occurred fifty years ago.

I served in Germany just over twenty years after WWII. I had no animosity towards the Germans although there were many still alive who had full knowledge of the Holocaust when it occurred even though many denied knowledge and some still do. I served in Japan just fifteen years after WWII and likewise I had no animosity towards the Japanese even though they treated our GI prisoners horribly. I worked with some Japanese soldiers who served during WWII.

At some point it is time to just let it go.

I am not.

And I am out of here.

 

I don't.

 

Grau, you must not even read the crap you link to. Otherwise you wouldn't be using as a "source" a ridiculous conspiracy site that among other things claims that directed energy weapons were used to start the recent California wildfires?

 

1. The following link should clear up your confusion about the lack of a thorough Congressional investigation of Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty (1)

"FAQ: Investigations"
http://gtr5.com/faq-1.htm
EXCERPT ""No US governmental entity has ever undertaken an investigation into the culpability for the attack. There have been investigations into the seamanship of the crew (US Navy Court of Inquiry), the message handling procedures of the US military (The JCS Russ Report), and other attempts to report publicly reported facts. No agency or other institution has ever conducted a fact finding investigation into the question of why the Israelis launched the attack and their prior knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship."CONTINUED

2. Please try to name any country that has succeeded in extracting so much blood & money from the US as Israel.
At least Netanyahu has been honest about the true nature of the US - Israeli "alliance":

Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

3. I wish the VFW & American Legion luck in lobbying our AIPAC infested Congress concerning Israel's additional deliberate betrayal.

 

Yes your attitude is indicative of Israels supporters, first Israel creates a false narrative that its existence is threatened, then the story of its almost miraculous survival. Created by terrorists and sustained by terror. Always the victim!

 

I'm curious as to how Grau and RisRaeb became so anti Israel. And please don't pretend it is simply based on "facts".

 

From the link by Grau that he has used REPEATEDLY!!



U.S. intelligence sources report that the late FBI agent John O'Neill was well aware of the suspicious Israeli activity in the lead up to 9–11. One FBI agent was taken off the Israeli surveillance operations and sent to Pakistan to investigate the kidnapping and murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. According to U.S. intelligence sources, Pearl was killed not by al Qaeda but by paid foreign hit men hired to get rid of someone who was getting "too close" to the actual money sources that paid for the 9–11 attack.

U.S. intelligence sources report that the one Israeli who is considered an extreme threat to U.S. national security is former prime minister and current prime minister hopeful Binyamin Netanyahu. Not only has Netanyahu visited convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard in his North Carolina prison cell and advocated strenuously for his release, but he was once overheard by an ex-CIA agent as saying to a group of his supporters, "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away." Considering the damage the neocons and their Israeli facilitators are causing for U.S. national security, Netanyahu may soon have his wish

Grau uses a 9-11 Truther conspiracy site as a source!!!! For a statement that the site itself can't even provide evidence was ever made.

Grau has no credibility in any claims he has made about the Liberty incident and Israel simply based on his horrible sourcing. I tend to believe he has never actually read the material at those links and is simply going by what he heard from others about what they claim.

 

Do not P.M. me again as you've made your true loyalties perfectly clear.

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Where you hiding while me and my fellow Veterans were serving so you could be free to slander us & lie for Israel?

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

Well I might well have been hiding from my older sisters as I was between 0 and 6 years old during U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

You're just angry because your entire dishonest scam has been found out. You are a perfect example that not all U.S. military veterans are honest or honorable.

 

1) that’s simply untrue. The Senate and House both conduct investigations
2) France, UK...our other allies
3) indifferent...seems like a waste given we’ve done it

 

Why did Egypt expel the UN and bring troops to the border and close the Strait?