Americans 'are sicker and die younger' than people in other wealthy nations

Stealing is fine in some situations, such as issues of national security, ex. the military. People who say 'stealing is wrong' don't really mean it 100% of the time, unless they're anarchists and believe the military should be disbanded and replaced with private military contractors.

Given the broken nature of our healthcare system, where payers end up having to foot the bill of illegal aliens who didn't pay, and prison inmates get better access to healthcare than law-abiders, etc - we'd be better off with a nationalized healthcare system which co-exists with the private sector. The guys who's only argument against it is 'it's stealing' need to grow up, because the same logic applies to the military - ex. the wealthy being forced to pay for the defense of people who don't pay taxes - it's a reality of life - to a degree, whether you're liberal or conservative you'll have to see this. Healthcare is basically an issue of national security, since the health of a nation's residents would affect their ability to stand up and fight to in the event of a foreign invasion.

 

We are too affluent for our own good. We need an alcohol, tobacco, and a motor vehicle ban. Ban! Ban! Ban!

Obama needs to wield his Executive Order Ban Hammer (tm) and strike out to end American obesity.





People are dying!!!!

 

Yawn!!!
Another dickheaded thread bashing capitalism and profit.

The rest of the world comes to the United States for cancer treatment, so we can't be that (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bad off.

 

An article from a newspaper in a nation known for letting people die while waiting for the simplest of tests...........

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The Dutch lead a very boring life.

 

Dude, you live in the most wussified country on the planet with your PC bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and nanny statism. How does it feel to be a "subject" instead of a citizen?

 

Even the best-off Americans – those who have health insurance, a college education, a high income and healthy behaviour – are sicker than their peers in comparable countries, says the report by the US National Research Council and the Institute of Medicine.

Couldn't they get a person that can spell of a cheap spell check program??

Tehy start with this and then go to this - - US adolescents have had the highest rate of pregnancies of affluent countries since the 1990s and are more likely to acquire sexually transmitted infections. The US has the second highest HIV rate and the highest incidence of Aids among the 17 countries. which is driven by the liberal welfare system that rewards girls for having babies and the girls that take this career path are not that smart or diligent about health care and hygiene.

Poverty, inequality, racial and ethnic differences and lack of health insurance are part of the story but not all. Even non-Hispanic white people with money and insurance who are not smokers or obese do less well than those in other countries.[b/]

Inequality makes you ill?? How in the hell do they get that notion?? For that to be true we have to believe that middle class Black people are treated poorly by the health care system and I just don't believe that.

BTW, Do we think that this study flooded in the islaom rats that are infesting Europe? They couldn't know how ill they are feeling because the muslim oppressed women in Europe don't go to doctors.

Just another "HATE AMERICA" thread..

 

"American are sicker and die younger than other wealthy nations". My first thought is that "if" this is true, and I doubt it, it would only be because of our diets and it would have nothing to do with the quality of medical care we receive. Who are the other "wealthy nations"? Due to our Federal Governments laws and the FDA, we are often behind other Countries in approving drugs and other treatments proven to be successful in other Countries. And, due to the same, the costs associated with providing medical care cost more in the U.S. You cannot really believe that what providers charge for care isn't going to be higher to cover the costs of regulations and comply with those regulations. The other "wealthy nations" you speak of do not impose the costly regulations that our government does.

 

Can you actually document the impact of regulation on healthcare cost and drug costs or are you just parroting the standard Republican anti regulation talking points.

 

The FDA has just determined another fact worth considering. Legislation may be required to remedy this. It has recently become known that nearly every American who has died over the years, at some time in their life they ate a stock of celery. Celery is bad. We must ban the sale of celery.

 

Actually facts support the cause and effect link between being born and dying. Mandatory birth control will solve this problem.

 

Yes, just as you will certainly die if you eat celery.

 

At least we have our 'freedom' to be sicker and die younger. Those other wealthy nations live in bondage.

 

Wow, give us the lst of freedoms we have that say the British don't have or the Norweigans don't have.

 

I think it could be true, and that it could be due to stress levels.

 

1) You're going to have to look up the meaning of the word 'facetious'.
2) The right is telling us that being sick and impoverished means we have at least maintained some of our 'freedoms'.

 

Pretty sad that there are third world countries with better health conditions than here in the US. It is more than time to stop letting fatcats profit off human sickness.

 

I've read studies like this before saying that Americans - on average - live unhealthier than people in most industrialized countries.
So, this is not real news to me.

What I find really strange is this attitude, if something is criticizing anything American, it must be "anti-American."
So, a study that shows that US folks live unhealthier than other western folks must be "America - bashing, full of lies and made up data."
I also find this notion of "we, as Americans are free, you (in Europe) are not, you're only subjects" zero convincing. But, hey, that's just me.

I live in western Europe, I don't think I'm unfree, but maybe I'm just brainwashed, huh?
Those who claim otherwise, you might want to ask yourself:
- when did you last visit Europe?
- have you ever been to Europe?
- what exactly do you know about the diversity within Europe?
- do you read European newspapers?
- do you watch European news?
- do you have European friends, co-workers, business partners to share and exchange information and opinions with?
- what do you know about health care in France, Belguim, the UK, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Italy, etc.?

I'm aware that health care is a very tricky topic in the US and I for one wouldn't tell Americnas how to deal with it, it's up to them.
But people who, so it seems, don't know too much about this topic in the European context, yet scream "all godless socialist" and "you Dutch have the most boring life" are either really uneducated or have just entered 6th grade.
It really seems oversimplifying things is just very, very convenient.

 

Ignorance is also very convenient for some.

 

Whatever you're trying to say, in certain contexts it probably is.

 

When I saw the title of this thread I assumed it was another thread in support of Obama Care. But after reading the comments it is not. It confirms what I have posted many times; if Americans are less healthy, it is not because they don't have access to health care but because of the unhealthy diets and lack of exercise.

We have more money but spend it on fast food, restaurant food and unhealthy food. We eat less at home, we exercise less, party more(drink alcohol).

We also look at Health Insurance as an all inclusive "club membership". In the 60's health insurance mainly paid for hospital care and surgery; both which were catastrophic expenditures for Americans. Now you want all of your physician visits, tests, lab tests and preventative care covered by your insurance. That costs you. Costs you a bunch. Insurance Companies are private Corporations that can charge you a premium that covers the average benefit payout and earns them a profit. They are not a welfare program.

And, physicians, surgeons, clinics, hospitals and other providers of medical care are also not welfare programs that receive funding from the Federal or State Governments, they are businesses that must charge a fee that covers their expenses and provides them the profit THEY want to earn.

Unless the Federal Government buys out every private practice, clinic, hospital and other business that provides medical services; they, the Federal government should have no say in what fee providers charge. It then would be left up to patients to seek care from the providers. Based on their experience, education, fee schedule and so on. Much more competetivie.

 

The US has a larger population of blacks than other wealthy nations and that skews the stats. Their higher death rate is directly attributable to lifestyle and culture.

"Overall, DR Williams found that blacks have higher death rates than whites for 8 of the 10 leading causes of death—heart disease, cancer, stroke, unintentional injury, flu and pneumonia, diabetes, HIV/AIDS, and cirrhosis of the liver."

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/101/12/e9026.full

 

You do realise more Americans go abroad for medical treatment than foreigners go to the States for treatment don't you?

 

Americans consume more calories per person, have a higher rate of drug abuse, and are less safe on the road compared to their global peers. Social and physical environments such as discouraging physical activity are also contributors. From the research I have done one of the biggest factors is Obesity. Obesity causes heart disease, arterial disease. Diabetes is also a major factor.

Our diet. Our mode of transportation all contribute to high mortality. It is not the health care we are provided. It may be the lack of health care. But, even those with insurance may not seek the medical or preventative care they need due to high deductibles, unaffordable co-payments and out of pocket costs. Obama care did little if anything to change these factors. So, IMO we will not see any significant improvement in life expectancy due to the passage of the PPACA. In fact, we may see life expectancy go down as people find their insurance will not cover the treatment or surgery they need.

 

Brilliant, we clearly need to stop getting into foreign wars and start using our military where they can do some real good. Welcome to the new US Military renamed as the Calorie Police. Storm Troopers in the cause of healthy diet seems as American as Joseph McCarthy. I can see the Republican Party Platform plank now.