Americans 'are sicker and die younger' than people in other wealthy nations

This is probably not what your interested in, but over the past forty years, for reasons, more people unnecessarily seek medical attention. They are prescribed drugs, test that aren't warranted, operations that may not be needed and go through unwarranted recoveries, all costing more in the end for real problems. Both to insurance cost and recovery rates. More people die in the US from medications or hospital stays, than probably anywhere in the developed world and the cost has been rising.

 

The latest data in that is 7 years old.......

 

NO, they don't.

14.3% of our population is immigrants. There are no high income countries with a higher rate than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population

 

Now of course all you have to do is prove that immigrants are less healthy than non immigrants and that thay consume a disproportionate share of medical resources.

 

I don't care much about the main argument, just with comments that are not factual.

 

I just read the wiki link you posted.
It says:
Canada: 20.7 %
Australia: 27.7 %
Switzerland: 28.9 %
Austria: 15.7 %
Ireland: 15.9 %

In my book, those numbers are higher than 14.3 % and I'd say it's fair to call these places developed, industrialized, high income countries.

 

So can you provide data to support your position that our poor health results are do to our higher immigrant population. That would constitute facts to support your position that high immigrant population causes our poor health results. Otherwise you have not demonstrated a causal relationship between immigrant population and health results.

 

I don't have to "parrot" anyone as I have seen it first hand during my 35 plus years in the health care delivery system. One doesn't need to rely on others statements when they themselves could write the "article" based on their own knowledge and experience. A few examples of regulations that impacted the cost of providing medical care; disposing of needles that years ago the u.s. government required we pay an outside business to do. Additional cost to patients because doctors no longer wanted to store drug samples given them for free by drug companies due to additional regulation they had to follow to do so and potential fees and fines they could be assessed. Ever wondered what happened to all those free samples you doctor use to give you? Medicare reimbursement changes that stopped paying for your doctor to draw the blood samples they needed to determine the appropriate treatment you needed, requiring you to go to an outside lab or for the doctor to hire special phlebotomist staff and set up an independent lab(all costly). Most physicians just decided to make you go to an outside lab that bills your insurance separately. Yet you doctor once receiving the report is paid nothing to read it, decide your treatment, call you to come in or tell you, you are fine and don't need to return. In other words they and their staff are not paid for their time as lawyers and other professionals are.

Perhaps the most costly and most worthless, despite what we were promised is Electron Health Care Records. It costs private practice, clinics and hospitals $1000's of dollars plus monthly fees to comply with this regulation. So far, it has resulted in physicians spending less one on one time with their patients, extended their hours(most working 12 hour days seeing patients and updating records. And little if any information is being shared electronically between your physicians.
It appears to only be benefiting the Federal Government and their ability to see all of you medical information, if you a on Medicare. And, being used to find ways to cut treatments from medicare. And give the upcoming "medical advisory board" information they will use to either approve or disapprove medical care. It is not benefiting you or your providers. Perhaps the only thing that is good and really has nothing to do with Electronic Medical Records, is electronic prescriptions. Physicians are suppose to get paid more by medicare if they submit your prescriptions electronically. To date, our practice hasn't experienced this. By submitting prescriptions electronically there is less chance of fraud or people hooked on prescription drugs getting them illegally by stealing a prescription pad and it makes enforcement easier for pharmacies and easier for them to see all drugs a patient is prescribed perhaps stopping drug interactions.

 

In case you don't know it, the difference in many cases is one year. Not much to crow about.

 

Most of what you posted isn't even understandable. But you say more people die from medications or hospitals and that is purely stupid and untrue. Prove it if you can. Operations that aren't needed? Seriously? And, for most, regardless of premium costs, their insurance due to high deductibles, co-payments and out of pocket often render insurance useless. Just as most auto insurance and homeowner policies that have such high deductibles and still cost too much are only good if you have a catastrophic loss. Come on, you have to understand this. Why don't you complain about car insurance that costs a bundle and yet never seems to help you when you have a $500 plus deductible or your car is totaled by someone else and you aren't reimbursed enough to replace it. Or you can only afford homeowners premiums with a $1000.00 deductible and the damages seem to always be below that amount? Only a couple of States require auto insurance companies to provide policies that cover the cost of replacing your totaled vehicle with a comparable vehicle. Why? Why not complain about that.

You people want health insurance to cover every cost but aren't willing to pay for it and you aren't willing to pay those that provide your health care the fee they deserve or need inorder to stay in business and make the profit "they want".

 

Actually my doctors are still giving me free samples. No change has actually occurred in my experience.

 

Considering how much more the US spends for it's inferior results even a year difference is a pretty significant indictment of our system.

 

The OP is like arguing about dick size when throughout most of human existence the average lifespan was in the 30s.

 

Australia 28% of the population are born overseas which equates to 6.6 million people out of about 24 million.

According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, on 30 June 2014 there were 6.6 million residents who were born outside Australia, representing 28% of the total population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia

The 2011 census states nearly 25% of Australians born aboard with 43% of Australians have one parent born aboard.

http://abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/CO-59

You didn't read your link too clearly. From the table Australia's immigrants is nearly 28% while America's in about half at 14%. Even Canada sits at 20%.

How does it feel to have egg on your face?

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population

 

If they are, I doubt they are prescription or Scheduled drug samples.

 

The biggest cause for the difference has already been identified, poor eating habits, lack of exercise. We drive cars while many other Countries populations walk or ride bikes. We eat more fast foods than more healthy countries whose diets are based on eating fish and vegetables.

You must look at these types of differences. If you compare medical and surgical care outcomes 1 to 1.we excel.

 

Explain the relevance of that analogy to the cost/ benefit comparison of healthcare systems between different countries.

 

Per usual, you probably can't or won't post data to support your position. This is pretty much the old claim that America has the best system in the world which even most Republican have abandoned since there is endless data to prove that it is not true.

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Wrong again.

 

Depending on what you read, the difference max is around 5 years. It also depends how it is counted since recording is not uniform. For instance, the US counts premature birth deaths in the death rate, some countries only count deaths after full term.

 

In you expert opinion that was an explanation of your " dick analogy". maybe you just have a treatable obsession with sexual organs.

 

Minor differences are easily explained so why the big deal about the US unless it is a dick measuring contest?

 

So explaIn using actual data rather than opinions.

 

Have but that never really matters when someone is trying to make an irrelevant point for emotional reasons.

 

Bet you can't actually provide a post number where you provided the data.