This isn't a strictly gun control topic. Every country has a little bit of disrespect for those in position, Australia we will boo the PM heartily if he shows up at the NRL Grand Final. The brits voted for brexit on the back of a vote against the political elite sort of platform. But the some Americans on this forum take this step to another level. "they" will take your guns, disarm you and through iyou in jail. "they" in reference to the government. "they" want your guns. You cant trust "them". There is also a similar sort of undercurrent against the "left wing media" or national media... Isn't your government just made up of americans, that can be changed by or kept the same by americans? Why is this so different from other western nations that seem to accept that the government they got is the one they voted for, from the people they are a part of?
It is a Government by "We the People" The Government is run by the People, and for the People. Perhaps People of other Countries do not understand how important concealed carry is to People today, those not willing to wait or depend on Police for their safety and well being, and seeing as how Police of many jurisfictions do a rum job of Public safety, I do not blame them....
Thank you for your response drwho. The US government is run by the people, and for the people, regardless of whether the government make laws supporting or rejecting guns. But so often on here you see a law proposal and its the big bad government trying to enslave the populace when it is clearer just trying to make things safer. Just the same as if they allow more guns, they are not trying to enslave the populace in this circumstance either they just believe its better to have more guns. Why is the jump to some conspiracy so easily made, for example a news article is posted about someone saving a life or 4 with there self defence gun, despite it being a news article you will get 4 or 5 intelligent people claiming its a conspiracy the story isnt run ad nauseum by the media to illucidate the masses on what a wonderful thing guns are? I mean really? not every gun death is run either, not because of some conspiracy, but just because it isnt that great a story in terms of bringing in eyeballs.
In the US, the places with draconian gun control laws are among the least safe. Gun control laws that restrict the rights of the law abiding cannot and do not restrict the actions of criminals. See above. A concerted effort to make it as difficult as possible for the law abiding to exercise their rights to arms, without any efefct on the criminal use of guns, can be taken no other way.
In Venezuela, the anti-government protestors were disarmed. During Katrina, americans were disarmed. In the USVI a week ago an order was issued to disarm them. In the 90's and since many in government have wanted us completely disarmed. The fact that they have been unsuccessful in disarming us does not mean they don't want to make it happen. If the government fails to observe the Constitution, it is not a government "of the people".
We jump to those conclusions because governments all over the world are directly responsible for 4 times the deaths of all wars combined.
see this proves my point-gun banners invariably are motivated by a hatred of the politics of those of us who support gun rights. Idiots tend to be people who actually believe one more gun law is going to deter people who already are not deterred by laws against rape or murder
Why is it only a conspiracy from the government when the laws are against guns. On this forum threads are posted all the time about laws being made/repealed which are in favour of guns, why is this not a conspiracy? Why is there a failure to see that these things can go both ways depending on the electorates mood and the position of those in charge?
smart people don't worry when a government increases the freedoms or rights of its citizens. Smart people worry when the government conspires to limit the rights of its citizens.
Again why is it a "conspire" when your govt is limiting your gun rights, but you use the words increases its freedoms when expanding those rights.
>>>MOD EDIT Quoted Post Deleted<<< How is me asking a question about why you consider your own government a tyranical power crazed overlord when they make a law that goes against your beliefs and a benevolent freedom loving democracy of peace and love when it increases gun freedoms, obtuse? It is a direct question? Why can't you accept that people have different positions on a point and they are not doing it due to any nefarious intent over you they are pushing their side for their own agenda (both sides) whether to govern well or, to stay in power or for some other purpose. Obtuse is taking an OP you dont like and raising a tired old question you like going back to because it is a topic you feel safe on. Because intellectually you are bitch who cant get out of your own safety zone.
I believe the basic concept is "government restricting rights" vs " government extending/protecting rights".
Here's my take on this: I can't speak for other nations, but the American government has been corrupted. Most of the show of politics is nothing but bread and circuses for consumption by the masses. The politicians of Congress are shills, and the President is a figurehead. I know a woman who was elected to Congress, and she was so horrified by the corruption and malfeasance of that body that she never ran for reelection. If you aren't willing to compromise - or even flatly reject - basic morals and integrity you will get nowhere. The only thing Congress ever agrees on is giving themselves pay raises and pensions and perks so far beyond the pale as to be utterly offensive to those who are even aware of it. The Constitution has been shredded, and is ignored and stomped on while those in power pay lip service to it. Our "two party system" has become a single party with two heads; ever notice how we see Republicans elected, nothing changes, so we elect Democrats and STILL nothing changes? They speak in rhetoric and hyperbole while putting their real efforts into lining their own pockets and cementing government control over the people. There has been a systematic and focused agenda to dumb down the American populace. "Education" is now "indoctrination". The media have abdicated their responsibilities to be a source of information to the People and instead have embraced their new status as mouthpieces of propaganda. More and more Americans are accepting their role as mindless sheep, allowing themselves to be steered and driven along, relegated to wage slaves on a hamster wheel of taxes, debt, and apathy. Fortunately, there is a groundswell from those who are waking up to this reality. They are pushing back, despite the efforts by some to marginalize, denigrate, and silence them. We retain the "Spirit of Resistance" spoken of by Thomas Jefferson, and we are making our voices heard. We are attempting to work within the system by sticking with the ballot box for now.... but we are not afraid of the idea of resorting to the cartridge box should it become necessary. Does that answer your question??
Some in the US live in total fear. It is a paranoia fed by the NRA which uses fear to sell guns and thus build their base. Without fear they go out of business. Fear is their business.....and business is good.
another dishonest claim. all people have to do is read the posts of you and a few others who constantly ridicule and insult gun owners to show how hateful a large number of left wing Americans are towards gun rights and tun owners. the real paranoia are those hysterics who are so afraid of honest people owning guns that they spend most of their time slandering honest gun owners and the NRA rather than actually trying to do something about the violent criminals who mainly kill other criminals
real Americans respect the constitution. Gun control advocates do not. Gun control advocates are either ignorant of reality or dishonest about their goals. Gun control advocates pretend that the best way to deter criminals is to restrict the rights of those who don't engage in criminal activity. They then lie with silly nonsense, such as "its just a form"
you don't care about gun deaths, you care about baiting and harassing gun owners because you don't like their politics. Nothing you have ever suggested has any reasonable chance of deterring criminals. when your silly schemes are shown to be frauds-as far as crime control-you retreat and then start spewing nonsense like "its just a form" or "it will work" rather than ever coming up with ANY evidence that suggests that harassing honest citizens will deter criminals. If YOU really CARED about deterring criminals, you wouldn't spend most of your time posting silly dismissive one liners that ignore the points being made against your proposals
Again you make this about me and you. I want to save lives. You want to play with guns. We have very different priorities.
