Americans vs the american government

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  1. Xenamnes

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    No federal legislation pertaining to firearm-related restrictions was enacted during the administration of Barack Obama.
     
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    Coming thru....moving the goal posts. Lol
     
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    Then report me. You are derailing from the question asked. I insist you report me though if you feel I have broken forum rules. In fact I demand it
     
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    Papabear,

    The subject of government being made up of Americans is an issue that requires discernment and acumen to fully appreciate the natural distrust of the so-called American government (federal) and the state governments and some local municipalities stems from foreign influence for nations such as Britain, Israel and many other nations whom the governments of these United States deals with on a frequent basis. Many American politicians are members of entities such as The Council on Foreign Relations, and receive moneys from groups such as AIPAC, Multi-national corporations, foreign governments, and interest groups who are front organizations for industries, and the like. Many politicians are part of the revolving door political process, where these same politicians and their cronies jump for industry to government and vice versus. Them you have the so-called Intelligence agencies that work overtime in culling the minds of the population of America for their own benefits and corporate benefits as well.

    I know that this does not really address the subject but it is a start.
     
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    6Gunner,
    EXCELLENT POST :applause::thumbsup:
     
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    “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
    George Mason

    “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …”
    Richard Henry Lee

    “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them.”
    Zachariah Johnson

    “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …”
    Samuel Adams

    “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
    Richard Henry Lee

    “The great object is that every man be armed.” and “Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
    Patrick Henry

    “Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”
    Patrick Henry

    “The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … ”
    Thomas Jefferson

    “The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”
    Alexander Hamilton

    “The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution.”
    Thomas Jefferson

    The statements above, settle the issue and topic of gun ownership of the people, as far as I am concerned.
     
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    Thankfully this is just your opinion and gun control remains a topic that continues to be debated by the American people
     
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    Repost with corrections

    The subject of government being made up of Americans is an issue that requires discernment and acumen to fully appreciate the natural distrust of the so-called American government (federal) and the state governments and some local municipalities that stems from foreign influence from nations such as Britain, Israel and many other nations whom the governments of these United States deals with on a frequent basis. Many American politicians are members of entities such as The Council on Foreign Relations, and receive moneys from groups such as AIPAC, Multi-national corporations, foreign governments, and interest groups who are front organizations for industries, and the like. Many politicians are part of the revolving door political process, where these same politicians and their cronies jump for industry to government and vice versus. Then you have the so-called Intelligence agencies that work overtime in culling the minds of the population of America for their own benefits and corporate benefits as well.

    I know that this does not really address the subject but it is a start.
     
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    The lack of an actual response to the topic of discussion has been noted.
     
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    those who want to ban or erode the 2nd Amendment pretend that the founders actually wanted federal gun control
     
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    It is irrelevant to me what the founders wanted in this area. They were men....not gods
     
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    They were men that realized Despotic men would want to control others to their harm and Arms would help prevent that as well as provide a defense from criminals.
     
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    That's nice. We have 300 million guns in this country. I don't think they would have any complaints
     
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    "It is irrelevant to me what the founders wanted in this area. They were men....not gods" - VG

    And right here, we see a declaration of enmity to the intent and structure of the Constitution. You see, it is VERY relevant, in ANY discussion of Constitutional issues, to understand and recognize "what the Founders wanted". It is the ONLY way to properly address ANY issue regarding Constitutionality.

    No matter what you want, if it is in violation of Constitutional intent, then the ONLY way you can legitimately pursue legislation is to pursue a Constitutional Amendment to enable it to happen. YOU CAN'T IGNORE THE CONSTITUTION JUST BECAUSE YOU FIND IT INCONVENIENT. Gun controllers twist themselves in knots trying to rationalize the Constitution and the intent of the Founders away, and that shows the inherent dishonesty of their positions.
     
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    Then want did the founders want in terms of anti trust violations. Because SCOTUS has to rule on the constitutionality of that. So any quotes you have on that please provide
     
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    most people who hate our constitutional freedoms say that
     
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    Prove it. LOL
     
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    people who want to ban guns or restrict our rights to own and carry guns, realize the founders opposed any federal limitations on firearms usage or ownership. so those anti gun advocates either lie about what the founders intended or what the constitution really means or they ignore it altogether
     
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    Founders intent is not relevant
     
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    that is a common claim from far lefties who want to pretend that the constitution should reflect current popular views of the low wattage masses. People who are actual constitutional scholars find that claim specious
     
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    Then tell me the founders intent on anti trust violations. LOL
     
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    probably the same as rockets to the moon but who cares. we all know this because we have mounds of documents as to what the founders intended the constitution do concerning guns

    1) the founders did not intend the federal government to have any gun banning powers

    2) the language they use mentions nothing about gun control

    3) and the same was true with the second amendment-a blanket prohibition on the federal government having any say over what guns private citizens could own.
     
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    Hmmmmm. Scotus must rule on anti trust violations to see if they are constitutional....but we have no opinions by the founders on that. What to do? I guess that is an example of where it does not matter what the founders intent was. Thanks!
     
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    why not stick to the fact that there isn't even a shred of evidence that the federal government was supposed to have any power to restrict what sort of arms private citizens could own
     
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