America's Team fails to live up to its name

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  1. Daggdag

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    Well the fact that well over 70% of all police shootings of unarmed suspects are against black men, I would say there is definitely a problem. I would not call it a conspiracy, but there has a trend among officers to shoot at the slightest sign of possible confrontation, even if there is no threat to their life, and it just so happens that most cops involved in such shootings are most threatened by black people, since statistics show that the same cops who would shoot an unarmed black man are far less likely to shoot in the same situation if the suspect is white.

    The main issue isn't really racism per say, but a trend among cops to be *******, unwilling to take the risks that they signed up for when they chose to become cops. They view the possibility that a suspect has a weapon as a certainty, and so they shoot first and ask questions later.

    If the roles were reversed, and a black cop shot an unarmed white man because he didn't want to take the risk that he had a gun, you and all of the rest of the people attacking the BLM movement would be calling for him to be lynched.
     
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  2. Mac-7

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    The slightest hint of a threat to their life is the proper time to shoot

    What black criminals should do is surrender peacefully even if it means going to jail for a less serious offense than murder

    Because the alternative to that is death
     
  3. Daggdag

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    No they shoot at the slightest sign, real or otherwise, that they are going to actually have to work to bring in a suspect, regardless of whether or not there is an actual threat to their life. A suspect runs, they take it as a threat and shoot them in the back like Walter Scott.

    Look at how many black people have been shot by police when they were the ones who called them to begin with, because the cops saw them, assumed they were the criminal, and shot without even giving warning.
     
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    Act like a lady or a gentleman and cooperate with the police and you will not be shot

    That advice works equally well for blacks, whites hispanics and asians
     
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    In many shootings the suspect is completely cooperative. There was a case in Indiana where a cop executed a handcuffed, suspect who was sitting down because he complained that the officer had used excessive force. The cop claimed after the fact that he was trying to taze him, and pulled his handgun by mistake. This brings up two issues.

    1; There was no legit reason for him to do anything to the suspect, including tazing him.

    2; If this cop was so stupid that he couldn't tell his tazer from his handgun, when they are holstered on opposite sides of his body, he shouldn't be allowed to be a cop.


    In other cases, the officer shoots immediate among arrive on scene, and doesn't even take time to assess the situation or give any warning to the victim. It's hard to cooperate when they shoot you the moment they lay eyes on you. This alludes to the "many cops are ******* who are too afraid to deal with any confrontation" point. Regardless of whether their life in endangered, or taking a suspect in peacefully is possible, these cops use their sidearms. It's a situation where shooting the suspect is the first response of any situation, when it should be a last resort used only when there is a clear threat to the officer's or a bystanders' life, or the officer has probably cause to believe that such a threat exists. In many of these shootings, there is no weapon, there is no sign that the suspect is armed, and the suspect is no acting violently. There is no reason at all for the officer to use their sidearm.
     
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    Interesting take on things.
     
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    I can show you an incident where a black policeman was murdered by a black criminal who shot him without warning

    There is a lot of violdence on the streets of America and sometimes cops make mistakes

    Bu the idea that blacks are treated differently because of their skin color is not true and has no place at an NFL game
     
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    All criminals shoot without warning. Cops should be held to higher standards than criminals, and in the case of black cops, they are. Stats show that if a black cops shoots an unarmed person, they are far more likely to be convicted of murder than a white cop.
     
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    I can;t find anything to confirm that claim
     
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    Okay, I do wish we had more than two political parties and so too do most Americans. But I don't view patriotism as just another form of politics.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/219953/...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication
     
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    BS. I'm served twice including the VietNam Era. I support anyone's right to protest. There is plenty wrong with this country including you progressives making things much worse with your divisive ideology and racist everything. But there is a time and place for everything. You don't protest in church. You don't do it at a funeral. You don't urinate in public. You don't kill or commit criminal acts. There are things polite people don't do and kneeling for the anthem is one you don't do.

    You see what you've done although I actually expect you don't. You're blaming people for the behavior you are committing. We don't like your behavior so you attack us for our beliefs while thinking you have exclusive rights to act any way you choose and of course tell us how to behave. Because you are the all powerful left progressive who tells us all what to think, believe and do. We are just ignorant deplorables who cling to our religion and guns as well as our inherent love for country. You and your ilk appear to hate America and want to change it including who gets to say what, when and where, take our guns, destroy our fourth and fifth amendment rights, make the US open borders although hardly any other country in the world does that, allow anchor babies despite the fact that was never the intention of the amendment, and on and on. You want to change our entire culture while demonizing every white person as not even white and privileged but as white supremacists.

    You chap my azz. And I'm an independent not on the far right by any stretch.
     
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    And you do not fall into the deplorable category. I agree with you that it was not the time nor the place for that protest, but Trump
    exacerbated the situation with his flapping. It is done and this is what we have. Not too long ago, the teams remained in the locker room while the anthem was played, and I think that they should continue to do that. Keep in mind that these guys were not
    disrespecting the anthem or flag, because they are patriots who took a stand (pun) to bring attention to the racial divide in our country.
    They chose the wrong venue, and Trump's asinine remarks resulted in this show of support for each other. Trump is a divisive individual and is feeding the fires of hatred. Thank you for putting your life on the line for us during 2 wars. I am a Republican and have become an independent, since I am embarrassed that we have an unqualified, lacking in empathy, con man to put up with.
     
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    Of course the teams are disrespecting the flag and the country when they kneel or when they reuse to take the field while the national anthem is being played

    What is so terrible about American that they refuse to salute the flag?
     
  14. Cigar

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    Ain't it just sad that some people don't follow orders like it's the 1960s ... where do these people feel they can have a mind of their own and actually use it without your permission?
     
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    "Liberals" aren't the ones who brought this on. It was President Trump. No "liberals" were running around telling people to pretend they all of a sudden are angry NFL fans. Unless of course you're calling President Trump a liberal.
     
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    It is not about the flag. They chose this venue to get their message across. Bad idea.
     
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    The NFL has their own day of the Week and these idiots have their panties in a bunch because someone took a Knee. Taking a Knee in Football is older than these crybabies.

    Bet real money, these sissies don't stand at attention when watch the Game on TV .... F'ing hypocrites
     
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    That isn't really the issue here. The general perception is that an insult to the America those symbols represent is the intent of the protest. If it is not then why did they chose this venue? Turning off the TV and refusing to respect those players is the right of everyone who believes they are being insulted. I did not care for the linked arms, that isn't the proper posture.
     
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    Americans exercising their freedom of expression in a peaceful, restrained manner, and demonstrating solidarity in doing so, may be repugnant to some, and your availing yourself of the option that is readily accessible to all is to be commended.

    That has been the case throughout America's history, whether orderly marches throughout the civil rights era, non-violent protests against the Vietnam War, pacifistic demonstrations against the invasion of Iraq on phony pretexts, etc., etc., etc.

    When Americans calmly raise their voices in moral conviction, they do succeed. That does not mean that everyone must listen
     
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  21. Cigar

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    Please Honestly tell me; When did Bowing Down on One Knee become a act of Disrespect?

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    They may have minds of their own

    but minds filled with lies and confusion

    America is not a racist nation patrolled by anti black racist cops
     
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    There is no pretense on my part

    When they teams decided to disrepect the flag and the country as a sign of "unity" they lost my support
     
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    They didn't lose your support last year, and they were "disrespecting" the flag then.
     
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    The Protest is about Bad Cops who get away with Bad things ...

    Are you saying there are no Bad Cops?
    Are you saying no one should Protest Bad Cops?
    Exactly "how" is someone "Peacefully-Bowing" inflicts harm on you?
     

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