Ancient Stone Works/Megaliths

Total fail, Easter Island is volcanic rock and they banged them out.

The bottom two, they haven't a clue.

and as long as you are showing your ignorance of the subject, lets look at these.
Granite and diaorite.





Those cuts are machine made.
They are not made by banging rocks together.

 

so these people had nothing better to do, like eat, hunt forage, than to make perfectly machined cuts in stone, harder than anything they had, but another stone. Drill holes...lol


Here you can see the marks made by the cutting tool, as if bored in about 1/8th in per revolution.
We do it on lathes and drill presses.

I know you don't understand that, so it is probably a waste of time.

 

Actually, there are two issues involved here that archaeologists have no working answer for. Your photos here illustrate both. First, how did the builders of these megalithic structures cut the stones with such precision? Professional engineers have examined & measured some of those found at Puma Punku (shone in post #299 above), and found the straight cuts accurate to better than 1/1000" over spans of two feet, plus being perfectly flat, perfectly smooth and cut at perfect angles in 3D corners. Such cuts would be challenging to professional machinists with our technology today. Archaeologist claim they were made by bronze age civilizations using hand tools. That's not possible.

The second dilemma regarding these megalithic structures is, how did the builders move these massive stones, weighing between 2 & 200 tons each, from the quarries to the building site & then erect them atop one another? Some of these blocks would be impossible to move today using our best hydraulic construction equipment. Again, archaeologists claim the builders were limited to bronze age tools. Again, that's not possible.

So, we're left with a conundrum. Two theories have been offered as possible solutions. One, the megalithic structures were built by extraterrestrial aliens who were living here at least temporarily during that time period. The second theory postulates the existence of an unknown advanced human civilization that had technology equal to our own today, but a civilization that disappeared at the end of the last Ice Age about 12,000 years ago. Both theories could explain the megalithic structures, and both have some evidence supporting their validity. Skeptics simply reject both theories on the basis of lack of evidence, but the evidence is right in front of them. It is the very megalithic constructions themselves. Take that, coupled with the clearly inadequate explanations offered us by the professional archaeological community, and you have a mystery that simply won't go away, and deserves & demands an explanation. It's easy to get trapped in the negativity of dismissing these two theories, and many get sucked into that trap. But it's much more difficult--and more meaningful--to offer viable alternatives to explain what is so clearly there before us.

 

excellent post .

I have pointed out these two theories, and asked for another, but there seem to be none.

Just constant argument from people with no concept of how tools work.

 

since nothing rusts in a desert and heavy metal machinery would still be present but there's nothing...but Egyptians were thoughtful enough to copy in paint and relief sculpture of themselves using tools and techniques, tools that have been found and techniques that have been used successfully but experimental archeologists..but apparently that's not possible according to the tinfoil hat crowd, it had to be laser beams and aliens...

 

professional engineers?? are they experimental archeologists? are they stone masons? nope...my nephew is a mechanical engineer so what? what does he know about stone masonry, nada, but my father was a stone mason and he didn't find it at all hard to accept, he was still using the same techniques 3K years later, all be it with better tools that speed the process up...you misunderstand "bronze age"

because you or anyone has no concept of how something is or was done does not negate the fact that it was done...and to assume that ancient civilizations couldn't is hubris...these were people every bit as intelligent as you or me using simple tools, simple techniques...
"straight cuts accurate to better than 1/1000" over spans of two feet, plus being perfectly flat, perfectly smooth and cut at perfect angles in 3D corners"
Egyptians were well advanced in geometry and math, straight lines and angles...none of this was new to them...my father as a stone mason would do the same with string sticks and water and he taught me the same tricks of the trade, perfect 90's, straight lines, level surfaces perfect squares, all simple stone masonry,nothing new there ....look at the detail of the statue in the following picture that shouldn't be possible with primitive carving tools right? tell that to the carvers in the 2nd picture

again! it is possible and it has been done with the simplest of tools and techniques, again hubris on your part, because you haven't bothered to research it you assume it can't be done...the Egyptians were considerate enough to draw a picture for you if had bothered to look for it...and yes experimental archeologists have copied the technique and it works

you're a victim of Khemitology fraud...a bunch of wackos and con artists who are cashing in on the gullible selling books and tours of archeological sites claiming the existence of a prehistoric society(or aliens) that only they know about...a little digging into their backgrounds of these fraudsters reveals their lack of qualifications in anthropology/archeology Stephan MehlerMehler (even credits Eric von Danniken), Christopher Dunn,Brien Foerster, Mehler ...check the origin of any of the posts with amazing pictures and incredible claims of super duper/unkonwn/mysterious/lost technology and 99.999% will trace back to a fraudster website, which indicates the mind behind those posters...you can picture their google search words "unexplained Egyptian mysteries, lost Egyptian engineering, alien technology, lost eygptian secrets"...any actual searches to legitimate websites, nope ...people see what they want to see and search for the answer they want to believe, if they want to find aliens and laser beams then that's exactly what they'll find and ignore the Occam's Razor principle...or as it was called in the old days the KISS method Keep It Simple Stupid...

 

It seems you need your tinfoil hat cleaned.
None of that area was desert 15,000 years ago.
It was the ice age and the world climate was different.

And no, nothing has been re-created using anything,

We just don't know how lots of this stuff was done, you can claim laser beams and aliens..
However I think most require more proof.

 

first you argue they can make perfect 90 degree cuts, flat surfaces, etc,
Then you show a carving to prove it.

They had no way to make a flat surface, with 90Degree cuts, 10 feet long out of granite.

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/cutting.html

 

So you didn't even read your own post.

 

Read the article.. much as I assumed.. minus using actual stone to smooth the surfaces. The fine fit of huge stone can be obtained by rubbing them back and forth until they fit snuggly. I used this method, on a smaller scale of course, to fit stone closely. Another thing overlooked is the possibility of steel tools forged from meteors.. there is an example of a knife in the Egyptian Museum made from this material.

 

Nice theory, but it doesn't work.

 

rubbing two abrasive surfaces together to produce a smooth flat surface clearly the signs of alien technology ...that'll come as a surprise to every woodworker, stone mason and painter on the planet, their trade instructors were actually aliens...

there's a common misconception that "stone, copper, bronze and iron age" were exclusive usage of those materials to those times...those terms merely indicate the predominate materials, stone age tools were still being used in the copper, bronze and iron age...and Egyptians did have iron tools as well just not very many, they imported them long before they before they developed their own iron age

 

As I said before in another thread;ancient Egyptians became grand builders (on their own);no far-fetched scenarios required.

 

Or another valid theory, is they inherited much of what they are given credit for.

 

they were experts with stone construction...stone was their material of choice and necessity it's not surprising how good they became...just as today's stone masons are not as good as those from 100yrs ago, those masons from a 100 yrs ago weren't as good as stone masons of the middle ages, it's a disappearing art... masonry techniques have been discarded to less expensive (time consuming) methods ...today we build temples and churches out of wood, steel, brick, concrete because it's cost effective, building with finely detailed chiseled rock is no longer a cost effective method...

I've 50years of construction/building behind me and I never pass up an opportunity to inspect a centuries old home or edifice and marvel at the quality of workmanship that has been lost ...lost because it's no longer cost effective or practical, not because aliens with laser beams and power tools aren't here to show us how to do it.

 

It's my guess your 50 years experience in construction, is as a secretary, because your obvious lack of knowledge of how things are built, is showing.
You certainly don't have any hands-on experience.

and why are you so obsessed with aliens and laser beams.

 

Something I find interesting is that all these cultures, thousands of miles, and thousands of years apart, cultures with no contact with each other, all learned how to cut stone in a way we cannot reproduce today, and then all forgot how to do it, and we just cannot figure it out.

 

Sure it is. That is because they were not cut, they were ground into shape.

You simply cut a rock close enough to the shape that you need, then lay it in place and move it laterally back and forth. The two surfaces will grind against each other, until both are perfectly smooth to each other. This is an ancient technique, and has even been found in Jerusalem and other parts of the Middle East.

As for the "machines", we are talking about sandstone at Pumapunku. To cut this rock no special tools are required at all. The stones were quarried and rough cut with hammer and chisel, then finished with grinding and water until they got the shapes they needed.

This is sandstone after all, not granite. A person can make a hand drill with a wooden bit and make "Machined" holes into that substance. It is about as remarkable as finding a precise hole in gypsum.

 

Total fail

Puma Punka is granite and diorite.
The Pyramids in Egypt are mostly sandstone

This particular piece is granite, and shows all the angles and drills we were talking about.
Sorry, but that is not hand made, it is machine made.



And while you are trying to find an excuse.
Please tell us what these stone age people are making.

 

Reliable and verifiable reference to prove this? Because everything I am finding states that it is primarily red sandstone and andesite.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-americas/puma-punku-002

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/05/the-mystery-of-puma-punkus-precise.html

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/esp_tiahuanaco11.htm

https://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/puma-punku-enduring-enigma/

OK, there are multiple references and all say exactly what I just did. Sandstone and andesite, not granite and diorite.

Of course, then you have other sites, like the following:

https://exemplore.com/advanced-ancients/Ancient-Mysteries-Puma-Punku-in-Tiahuanaco

Which by the way is a sentence so flawed geologically it is nonsensical. Which is reason to pretty much throw out their entire site and all their claims.

But to answer the question in a scientific manner, the rocks confused with granite or dolomite is a very close cousin of the same family. Andesite.



Now andesite visually is a rock that most would simply look at and say "granite". It certainly looks like granite, it is an extrusive igneous rock composed of crystals and is of moderate hardness. However, it is high in sodium components, and is a highly soluble mineral. Basically, it is granite that did not finish "cooking" because the temperatures and length at pressure at high temperature did not happen. It looks like granite, but lacks the hardness of that other rock.

It is as "hard" as granite, both share the ranking of 7 on the Mohs Scale. But the cohesion between components is not as set, to it tends to crumble much more than true granite does.

Much like somebody can look at a crystal, and just assume it is quartz. White crystals can be many things, from quartz and salt to gypsum and more. But just because one looks like it is quartz, that does not mean that it is quartz.

So no, not a total fail at all. I simply understand more about geology than you do I guess. I know that just because a rock looks like something, that does not mean that it is. Kinda like iron pyrite.

 

these khemetologists get tripped up by archeological dating...Pumapunku that was the result of alien technology(power tools, lasers) came a thousand years after the Greeks built the Parthenon, there's nothing exceptional about PumaPunku when compared to the Parthenon and greek stone masonry yet no one is claiming the greeks had power tools and alien assistance...there's an obvious euro arrogance at play here, brown people couldn't possibly construct complex buildings whereas there's no doubt in their minds white greeks could....

equally inexpiable for them is the time factor...according to Khemetologists aliens helped the eygptians then they disappeared for 3.5k years skipping past the Greeks and Romans only show up in south america to lend a helping hand (or lend their power tools) to the Tiwanaku(PumaPanku) culture 1.5k years ago...then disappeared once again to show up 600 yrs ago to assist the Incas and probably the Aztecs

 

Your source for that "theory"?

 

That theory applies to most of the unexplained megaliths all over the world.
But it is a theory, just like all the others.

 

here's the source for all that lunacy... http://www.khemitology.com/articles/
Christopher Dunn, Brien Foerster, Patricia Awyan, Stephan Mehler...they've made a nice living separating the gullible and uninformed from their cash selling alien fantasy stories(books, tours, tv documentaries)...people actually believe these hucksters are qualified anthropologists/archeologists