Antarctic sea ice continues to grow beyond record coverage

Try adding in the PPM of CO2 and PPM of CH4 into the Nitrogen/Oxygen Atmosphere then add H20...THEN...look at the results.

AboveAlpha

 

That's it?

Combine ingredients and add water!

LOL...

How much water do we add?

the magic of H2O feedback. A feedback that in the hypothesis of AGW has a positive feedback greater than 1.0, which would make it out of control and unstoppable. You know the squeal when you have a microphone gain too high? that's because the amplification of the feedback is >1.0. If this was true about how much water amplifies radiative forcing, then we would have a runaway greenhouse effect since we came out of the ice age.

More propaganda from the climastologists!

Think about the facts... If the feedback is in fact greater than 1.0, then it means there is a phycical limit to radiative forcing, that we have reached it, and no matter how much greenhouse gasses we add, there will be no increased forcing from them.

How about addressing the values in my post.

 

I read somewhere that as the CO2 increased by 40%, the estimated water vapor increase was 4%.

How much really, does a 4% increase do on a log curve vs. a 40% increase? Pretty damn small unless the log multiplier coefficient for H2O is far greater than that of CO2, which would then make any other greenhouse gas change virtually meaningless.

Do you ever consider the impact of what you write?

Water vapor would have to be almost 8 times stronger per volume vs. CO2 for a feedback of 1.0.

 

Hmmmmm like this??



http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5774142-3x2-700x467.jpg

 

So, where did you read that? Back of a Cornflakes packet maybe??

 

Sonar is used to map the ocean floor. Not radar or lidar.

 

LOL...

No.

What part?

The 4%, or H2O needing to be 8 times stronger to produce a 1:1 with 40%?

I did the math for that.

The 4% is a number floated out their by the alarmists. They say that anthropogenic warming has increased the absolute humidity by aboput 4%. I'm sure you can find it if you search. This means if we started with an average 2% water, the added warming in theory changes it to 2.08%.

 

From one of the warmers favorite blogs:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=518

The 4% is a more accepted number, but whoop-t-do... 5%... It's in the ballpark.

 

Still not lasers. Satellites give complete coverage whereas bathymetry requires a ship to pull over a small area. Lasers do very poorly against clouds.

 

You got it dude. I know denialists won't follow this, their religion won't let them, but it should be pretty clear to the rest of us that the one apparent exception to the AGW thesis is simply another warming generated phenomenon.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/08/3577610/antarctic-sea-ice-record/

 

Yes, in fact, you are correct. But you need to know chemistry to understand why. Think about what happens when fresh water runs off into the oceans. What happens to the salinity level, and how does it change the freezing point of the water in the ocean? Hint: the freezing point and the salinity of water have an inverse relationship.

Maybe the alarm bell is 97% of international experts on the topic who say its a severe problem.

But alas, you already know this fact. But you "know better" because of [insert conspiracy theory here / partisan nonsense / and how you're a secret genius].

 

thinkprogress.....is that one of those joke news websites like The Onion?

 

Solar cycles are responsible for all the warming and cooling, history has proven this......



CO2 keeps rising, yet the temp remains the same for 15 years.

 

You're resorting to red herrings which is unsurprising. In addition, energy can be sinked anywhere in the earth's systems like water. Where energy gets stored has a lot to do with cycles like la nina and el nino.

But it doesn't matter. You already have a conclusion don't you? Hence your application of motivated reasoning demonstrated here.

 

Isn't that what CO2 centric warming is all about?

 

No, more like science. You ought to try a little science sometime, I mean just for a change. Don't worry, your denialist sites will still be there to reassure you that the world is flat.

 

What do you mean? What is "that"?

 

Think Progress is a very left agenda driven site.

 

From the ironic headline department:

Antarctic sea ice hits an all-time high, NASA blames global warming

I've no doubt that the irony was totally lost on the editor who wrote that headline.

 

Kind of looks like a balancing act. Since satellite records, when the Arctic ice was the highest, the Antarctic was the lowest and visa versa. Since there are not real good records before that, it may just be the normal balance of sea ice.

 

Curious, what do you supposed the percentage of people in the world have science knowledge?

 

What you have posted has no value as far as addressing CO2 and CH4 causing greater amounts of evaporation of H20 as Water Vapor into our Atmosphere.

You spew out data that has nothing to do with the FACT that the warmer worldwide temps....the greater the Ice Melt....the HIGHER the ocean levels....and the greater the amount of Water Vapor in the atmosphere thus the greater the amount of extreme weather.

This has NOTHING to do with anything you have so far posted.

There is no LIMIT to Global Temp. Increases and we have seen this on Venus and although conditions on Earth are no where near those of Venus they very well could get there if a combination of Volcanic Activity and runaway CO2 and CH4 levels occurred.

However without massive Volcanic activity all over the planet runaway CO2 and CH4 thus runaway Ice Melt will cause too much Fresh Water H20 to be dumped into Earth's Ocean's heat transference system which can cause an immediate Ice Age.

The PHYSICAL FACT that Ocean Levels keep rising and Polar and Greenland Ice keeps melting completely discredits anything you have posted upon this problem.

AboveAlpha

 

So now global warming causes an ice age. Go figure.

 

Yeah....and it has happened before.

But as I stated....when too much Fresh Water is introduced into the worlds oceans Heat Transfer and Convayence System....it stalls the currents.

Fresh Water is LIGHTER than Salt Water....and if I use the example of the North Atlantic Current.....Warm Salt Water from the Gulf of Mexico heads around the tip of Florida and the current brings that warm sea water North and this is why the U.K. even though it is much more Northern in Latitude than Massachusetts is relatively warm in Winter....as the Warm Gulf of Mexico sea water travels north toward the U.K.

As well the Cold Arctic Ocean sea water heads by current SOUTH and once it is warmed down south is currented back up North again.

The Cold Arctic Salt Water is HEAVIER than the Warm Gulf Water thus the Warm Sea Water travels by current ABOVE the Cold Arctic Salt Water.

Problem is when Cold Fresh Water which is added into the system by Ice Melt from the Arctic Ice Pack and from Greenland.....this cold water being fresh but having no SALT is about the same weight as Warm Salt Water.

Thus this Cold Fresh Water attempts to travel south by current at the same level as Warm Sea Water is traveling North via current.

When the two meet it stalls the transfer system and the Northern Hemisphere IMMEDIATELY starts to get colder and an Ice Age occurs.

AboveAlpha

 

You better contact the scientists and tell them of your new hypothesis, that is, unless you were there.