Antarctic sea ice continues to grow beyond record coverage

So for these folks GW causes everything. Sort of like George W.

 

The glaciers are melting. The artic region is also shrinking in ice. The south pole is growing in ice. Sounds logically like the fresh water from melting glaciers and the northern ice cap has changed the salinity in south pole ice, which allows that water to freeze, growing that ice.

I wonder what it will take for the anti science people to finally admit they were wrong? Well, can you get a conservative to ever admit he was wrong about his ideological beliefs? LOL. So, it seems these people who are true believers in what most men of science do not support, cannot change their minds, ever. I think that is one definition of insanity.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. For it has been shown time and time again that the illogical, the unreasonable, the irrational is a very powerful force in the lives of humans.

No one in their right mind will disagree with science, yet so many of us do. And that is a very dangerous thing, for they might also believe that if you explode a great nuclear bomb, that it is safe to live there, after it rains a couple of times.

For me, I will trust in the science, for that has served me well and helped to keep me alive. But unlike much on the left, I am not hysterical about the change in climate, and don't believe in the gloom and doom of the hysterical. I will not wreck what is left of the US economy, for it feeds our people, in order to change something that is far too late to change. I would address rising co2 levels in a natural fashion by land management, planting billions and billions of co2 eating plants all around the world. I would stop rain forest devastation, even if it took our military to do it.

What I would not do is to starve our people by repressing our economy, what is left of it. Yet I would make it a national goal to find non fossil fuel ways of producing what we must have, energy. I would make it like the goal of going to the moon, the goal of the manhattan project and throw everything at it. For oil is finite, not infinite. And there will come a time when the price of oil will collapse any fossil fuel based economy. This is just common sense.

 

Hmm, wonder why the salinity of the Arctic doesn't make more ice? Go figure. Ice grows in the Antarctic when the Arctic shrinks and visa versa. That is what the record shows.

 

The amount of fossil fuel from what I gather is pretty much sufficient to change things to an unlivable state before it runs out. The old peak theories which would drive the price to noncost effective levels are pretty much out the window. Taxing it into eventual massive scale down would seem to be the obvious alternative. The CCS approach, from what I've read, simply has no future. You capture and sequester some CO2 at enormous expense and then face the fact that you are using huge amounts of energy to run the CCS process.

 

Some folks will believe anything.

 

It's pretty clear, denialism is terminal.



As the archaic atmospheric temperature cherry picked from 1997 even that gets it wrong.

This video corrects the record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhJR3ywIijo

 

All of the temperature records show no heating, just different lengths. The reason California is having a drought is because of no Pacific heating. The graph you use is misleading. Anything before Argo data has massive uncertainties and there is no discernible temperature change during the Argo period. The global warming metric used for AGW is surface temperature and since it has not been warming, they are all atwitter about finding it somewhere, I mean, it's just got to be there right? So why not present the problematic and much modified ocean heat content data without discussing it's problems or adjustments?

 

but wait ....this cannot be right. Computer models predicted that the artic would be ice free by now and computer models are never wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm


Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

Summer melting this year reduced the ice cover to 4.13 million sq km, the smallest ever extent in modern times.

Remarkably, this stunning low point was not even incorporated into the model runs of Professor Maslowski and his team, which used data sets from 1979 to 2004 to constrain their future projections.


In the end, it will just melt away quite suddenly
Professor Peter Wadhams
"Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007," the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC.

"So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative."

 

They just can't spend more money without a new revenue stream for some allegedly noble cause.

Budget deal spends cap-and-trade funds on high-speed rail



How is building a tiny segment of rail in the middle of farm land going to reduce carbon emissions? Anyone who has ever been through Fresno to Merced knows there simply aren't enough people to ride the train. It comes out to $33,965,517.24 A MILE!!!

 

excellent point Professor. I am sure the then new state of the art supercomputer used for the 2007 prediction of an ice free arctic by 2013 was terribly underpowered and the climate change department Naval Postgraduate school need a new one. Maybe congress should allocate them a few billion for one like the British Met office uses for all their predictions. Oh wait all of the Met Office's predictions are bass ackward fails also. That does seem to be the norm for all of the climate modeling programs though, doesn't it ? GIGO perhaps ?

 

As the article indicates, computer models on the matter of an ice free ocean are all over the place as to when. Why do you denialists feel this constant need to lie? There is something really desperate about this continuous spouting of fantasies by you folks. If you want to believe the world is flat, fine. But why keep making up what other folks say? Own your own fantasies.

 

I think you actual think you said something coherent. Try "My reading of the quadratic equation tells me that AGW is impossible." It makes about as much sense.

 

What you mean is that you don't believe the current temperature records.

 

seems like the liars are all on the warmists side of the fence as shown in the link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm

Remarkably, this stunning low point was not even incorporated into the model runs of Professor Maslowski and his team, which used data sets from 1979 to 2004 to constrain their future projections.


In the end, it will just melt away quite suddenly
Professor Peter Wadhams
"Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007," the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC.

"So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative

instead here we are in a cooling period..my my how inconvenient for the watermelons. It's a bad time to be a liberal socialist.Must be sad to watch all that power slip away on an icy slope lol. I cheered when Australia repealed its carbon tax last July.

 

Not new.

We have dug up Mammoths in Siberia that froze solid in a matter of seconds as they had flowers and still green grass in their mouths and stomach when they froze.

AboveAlpha

 

Given your link showed no lie, why did you claim it did?

Also, try not be so obvious in displaying your fanatical allegiance to a political cult. You instantly give that away when you start ranting about phantom socialists. You're supposed to be pretending you care about the science, instead of making it obvious how you're simply parroting whatever deranged nonsense your cult has fed you.

If you want to be respected, act like the rational people here, and simply talk about the science. Leave politics out of it. I know that's tough for deniers, given how all the science contradicts them, and how they're solely driven by politics, but at least put on a better charade.

 

OK, looks like I will have to ask again.

Link please...

You know, the one that quantifies "seconds."

A mammoths stomach is more like a storage pouch, with no acids and few enzymes to break down any food.

 

The fact is that the Mammoths mouth and stomach were filled with Flowers and Green Grasses...and they were in the act of chewing them thus where the Moammoths were when they froze solid was a Temperate Climate Condition.

In order for the Mammoths to freeze solid like they did preserving flowers and greeen grasses in their stomachs and mouths there would have to be a drop in Temps. from at lowest 40 degrees F. to -140 degrees F.

AboveAlpha

 

LOL So you and some others on here believe that the Arctic ice cap melted away completely last year just like the climate scientists quoted in the article predicted? If you really believe that I am at a loss for words.

I suppose you will also deny this claim made back in 2008

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080620-north-pole.html


Arctic warming has become so dramatic that the North Pole may melt this summer, report scientists studying the effects of climate change in the field.

"We're actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time [in history]," David Barber, of the University of Manitoba, told National Geographic News aboard the C.C.G.S. Amundsen, a Canadian research icebreaker.

global warming is truly the religion of lies

 

You make it sound like that you have used more heat since moving to FL "THEN EVER". What kind of BCRP is that? I don't know what the "Florida" is you moved to but here in West Central FL I have not had the heat on 10 times in the past nine years we have been in our home.

So where do you find your spew?

 

ahh, so you find 50 degree nights and 60 degree days to be warm? Good for you. Last year my heat which I set to 72 kicked on every day for an entire month and not just once each day. Look, you can kneel at the altar of Gore, I choose not to

 

Are you sure you did not move to Florida, Massachusetts?

Just shows you how much you understand Florida winter temps and averages. The average Jan day here in Bradenton is 71 degrees and 74 for Feb. Even the lows are an average of 52 and 56 respectively, perfect for opening the sliders and getting fresh air introduced.

If you need to have your heat on every day at 72 degrees then that is up to you. When you have experienced 60 plus years of Florida climate then call me.

Besides, the only thing around here Gore and I have in common is that we are both on the same planet.

 

Bradenton borders Sarasota if I remember correctly

average minimum January Sarasota temps 2005 - 2014

2014 - 48.8
2103 - 55.0
2012 - 46.7
2011 - NR
2010 - 44.1
2009 - 45.7
2008 - 50.2
2007 - 54.8
2006 - 50.7
2005 -52.2

source - http://weather-warehouse.com/WeatherHistory/PastWeatherData_MyakkaRiverStPk_Sarasota_FL_January.html

I lived in Charlotte which is just south of Sarasota for several years back in the early to mid 90's. We had a house with a heat pump. Many of the houses there had no heat at all, only AC. I can only recall 1 really cold day, low 40s or high 30's maybe. I also recall the AC running on Christmas day several of those years for whatever that anecdotal evidence is worth

 

I'm sorry you believe that.

I see you still refuse to give any link that justifies "seconds."

 

LOL...

I can't help but take a comical moment from your dyslexia...

2103 as the hottest year. Is this based on a time machine?