Antivaxers, have the courage of your convictions.

I'm bloody sick of being called a Nazi because I don't want to watch you die because it just hurts too much to breathe.

So please, if you really think that Bill Gates wants a Zombie army or Trump is somehow going to know you love him to DIE for by telepathy then STAY THE FRACK HOME IF YOU GET SICK; STOP clogging up our hospitals and exhausting the crap out of our medical personnel (as well as infecting them with your disease). We have heart attacks and broken legs to deal with. Have the courage of your convictions; and LEAVE US THE **** ALONE

Deal?

 

As far as I know hospitals are legally required to treat you in an emergency situation. They cannot turn you away in case of imminent medical emergency.

I thought you were moving toward universal health care, now you want to backtrack on this? I don't understand it, make up your mind.

As far as I know we still treat HIV positive individuals no matter how risky their private life is. If they're knowingly using needles used by a HIV sufferer, or letting HIV sufferers up their pootube we still treat them.

Kinda like how we don't blame women for their rape if they walk through a dodgy part of East St Louis alone at night with a bikini on, despite that being a terrible idea.

In any case, I live in a country with universal health care, but I'd give it up for life for a vaccine mandate exemption. I was always fearful the government would use universal care as a justification for paternalism, the pandemic has shown this to be justified.

(PS: The vaccine is a medical miracle, I have no issue with taking the vaccine, and will do so day 1 once the mandate is abolished and all restrictions removed)

 

It doesn't matter what people call you. It only matters what you answer to, AU.

That's not how Emergency Departments and hospitals work. People show up with all kinds of stuff that was probably preventable.

Further, think about what you wrote for a couple of minutes. Do you have that in your mind, AU?

Riddle me this...if a person is apathetic, irresponsible, disinterested or just plan doesn't give a damn about doing their part to live in close proximity to other people by wearing masks, disinfecting their hands and socially distancing...

ON WHAT VOLITION DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO NOT GO TO A HOSPITAL IF THEY GET SICK?

Probably not. See above response.

 

A bit extreme. Maybe it would be more reasonable to ask unvaccinated people (without a genuine medical reason) to pay for their own Covid-related medical bills, like Singapore does.

 

I'm vaccinated. However if a mandate had been put in place prior to me getting vaccinated I would refuse.

Why? Because the government has no power to make me put something, anything, into my body. The only person that rules over me, is me. Period. I wouldn't even kneel before God if he appeared before me and demanded it. So you can imagine how I would react to a government mandate.

So, take your petty rant and go stuff it down a deep dark hole. Then you can go to your masters and snivel about how mean I was in disregarding your rant.

 

Do you really think that all those hospitalized don't pay for thier covid-related treatments? Hint: they are, either through insurance or through out of pocket.

The Devil always gets his due. (Just using the saying, not calling hospitals the Devil)

 

I don't mean to be intrusive but your post piqued my curiosity. By any chance have you done any of the following:

Enrolled in a public or enrolled any children you may have in a public school in the US roughly 1940?

If so, did you refuse to be vaccinated or refuse to give consent for your child(ren) to be vaccinated?



Enrolled any children you may have in a daycare program outside a individual's home?

If so, did you refuse to give consent for your child(ren) to be vaccinated?



Serve or have any of your child(ren) served in any of our armed forces, domestically or abroad in any capacity for the US Government?

If so, did you refuse to be vaccinated or refuse to give consent for your child(ren) to be vaccinated?



Have you or your any children you may have ever gone to an Emergency Department at any non-private hospital in the country?

If so, did you refuse to discuss the status of your or any children you may have relative to being asked if you or your child(ren) have been vaccinated?



Have you or any children may have ever received an annual Flu Shot?


Have you worked for any company that required vaccination records and, if so, did you refuse to provide that information upon request?



Have you or any children you may have ever given blood or plasma or had any IV medications administered during hospitalization?



If you answered "yes" to any of the above questions, you and/or any children you may have may have been given vaccines without your knowledge or consent.



And, for the record, I hold the same opinion but I am also aware of a few doctors that are more than willing to lie to their patients. I know one doctor that aborts pregnancies if he thinks the expectant mother is too young or poor or uneducated and the harsh reality is there is absolutely no way to prove medical malpractice and, even if one could, another licensed physician has to testify that something went wrong and most aren't willing to do that because their colleagues would bully them out of practice. I know of two doctors that happened to. It's akin to cops covering for one another. They will never tell that a partner went rogue.

 

Yeah - I meant that unvaccinated people should bear the consequences of their convictions. Take personal responsibility. Pay for themselves. Not ask other, more responsible policyholders to subsidize their irresponsibility.

 

Obese people, cigarette smokers, people who have unprotected sex, drink drivers, ........

Who else do we want to deny public services to? My family quarantined and infected nobody. I've repeatedly donated my antibodies for research and therapy to treat all people. I still have antibodies after 18 months. The vaccines do not prevent the disease or it's spread. Big pharma faces no liability for their experimental treatments with ever changing claims of efficacy . No thanks.

 

Deal. The only reason I'd ever go to a hospital anyway is for major surgery. I'm sticking to small private practices that aren't taking corporate bribes and govt subsidy to maximize profits pushing big pharma's latest scam.

 

All of the above that you listed are voluntary things. I choose whether or not my kids go to school. If I choose such then I also volunteer to abide by thier rules for my children to attend. My choice. Not mandated.

Same goes for the military, working at a job, daycare, etc etc.

(No, I have not done some of those things, ex: I have never been in the military)

If this were to happen to me or mine I would of course sue. Failing that they would pay in other ways.....I'm rather vindictive when provoked. And everything I do is always legal.

 

That's part of being a part of such groups. You also pay for the "irresponsible". Such as paying for broken bones because one just HAD to do a McTwist on thier skateboard.

 

So people are vaccinated and they're still sick you don't think they should stay home?

We already know you're in favor of forced vaccinations.

Just so people know you're extreme point of view on this why don't you share your opinion of what you said previously of how you would force people to be vaccinated.

 

Do you work for a municipality or private sewage company? Are they not requiring it where you are?

I see a NP and she's very laid back. She doesn't hard sell anything, is open to questions and very intelligent. I like her quite a bit and keeping her would be a serious question if I ever thought about relocating.

 

About the most textbook example of False Equivalence I've ever seen or could even think of

 

The whole point of this thread is about personal responsibility. Anti-vaxxers taking personal responsibility for their actions.

If they make a conscious choice to reject vaccination, they should willingly accept the consequences - both physical and financial.

Personal responsibility.

 

Which they do. Just like anyone else that does things that are irresponsible. And in the same ways.

 

Unfortunately it is the patients who have had delayed treatment who have "paid".
There are periodic stories of the walking wounded waiting hours for treatment, of more severely ill patients waiting hours in corridors to see someone or for a bed, and of people with osteopath issues...hips, knees, backs, who have had to wait two years before even being put on a waiting list. (all UK NHS).
Now I know the UK NHS Is no example of competent processing of patients but I also now from personal experience how debilitating it is to feel pain every time you take a step. Your quality of life takes a nosedive.
I am torn here...I don't support forcing people to be injected but I also object to their taking up space from natural disability.
Perhaps there should be special hospitals from Covid patients and leave the others for the natural sufferers. The UK did set up large tents at the height of the pandemic with this in mind but they were hardly used due to lack of staff. Caused in part by Brexit and in part by nursing staff going home to family.

 

Really?? Do they really pay for their own hospital care personally rather than claim it from insurance?

Because THAT would be taking full personal responsibility.

And as the OP says - staying away from the hospital entirely would be taking full personal responsibility.

 

Come on Alexander have the courage of your own convictions and tell people what you said previously I'm sure I'm not the only one here who remembers what you said.

 

My doctor told me I didn’t need the vaccine.

 

i deal with several nurse practitioners. they are all great.

 

No deal. I want those who are sick to go to the hospital. I hope they do. They have the right just as much as anyone else to go to the hospital. You think it’s self induced and therefore they shouldn’t go. Who’s to say that broken bone wasn’t self induced by a poor choice, or that person with cancer wasn’t smoking or chewing for his self induced cancer, or that heart attack wasn’t self induced by eating McDonald’s every day for the last 30 years? Get over yourself and quit acting like scared commie

 

Show us a note from him.

 

Probably located between his index and ring finger.