Antivaxers, have the courage of your convictions.

Proverbial "RUN", meaning that they'll be in a hurry when they'll start having breathing troubles.

Here is an article about paxlovid availability:

"Shireesha Dhanireddy, professor of medicine at the University of Washington School of Medicine and Harborview Medical Center, said the hospital system is meeting the need of patients, but that's only because it's using National Institutes of Health guidance, which prioritizes treatment for those at highest risk: the immunocompromised and the elderly and unvaccinated. This last category, the unvaccinated, may not sit right with some people.
"We're using these medications judiciously and really giving them to the people that would most benefit from these therapeutics," Dhanireddy said. "If we opened it up to vaccinated individuals, we would not have enough therapy." 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/12/health/paxlovid-pfizer-antiviral-scarce/index.html

So, the unvaccinated getting paxlovid, because they are sicker, making it impossible for the vaccinated to get. I'd say that's a moral hazard.

 

Well, then, if that's the case you should stick with your conviction and not go to the hospital when you get a bad case, as is the point of the OP. In reality, you are just another statistic in the waiting to clog up emergency rooms.

 

Why are you worried about getting paxlovid... you are vaccinated. You will not get Covid if you are vaccinated per Joe Biden.

 

My point was that for most, covid will be virtually asymptomatic.
As for banning unvaccinated from going to a hospital - 75% of covid deaths are 65+. Want to free up hospitals for yourself? Ban old people! They will die anyway.

 

In your fascist state, maybe.
In Florida it’s sold in Walgreens. I just recently inquired for a friend and it’s in stock.

 

Why don't you mind your own business and let others mind theirs?

Vaccination does not stop you from catching and spreading this disease, therefore, you could have a 100% vaccination rate and it won't stop it.

Isolation works, and if you happen to catch it, and you're vaccinated, your odds of an easier case are enhanced. So evaluate the facts, set your own course and quit attacking others.

Deal?

 

Yes, hence why I put it in quotes.

So no evidence that anyone has died from lack of treatment due to an antivaxxer.

 

The anti vaxxers see it differently. They don't see much benefit in vaccination and want to stand up to the mandates and other forms of authoritarianism. The reality is that all the things we have done to combat covid have been ineffective. I am an old man with health issues. For me, the vaccine is a must basically. But I don't think those with natural immunity should vaccinate. It won't help them and it involves the rare chance of causing issues. The risks of the vaccines are low, of course, but the fact that the vaccines won't help the naturally immune is plain fact. If I were young and healthy I would prefer natural immunity and I would probably opt out of vaccination. The anti vaxxers have a reasonable position. There is no morality involved at all. Going there won't help your case.

 

I'm not attacking anyone, I'm pointing out the fact that if you're not vaccinated and you catch COVID and go to a hospital for treatment you're an immoral and unprincipled hypocrite who is hurting others, sick people who might have used the resources you're taking from them. You're also contributing to the overwork and exhaustion of people whose only fault is that they try to help people like yourself instead of forcibly vaccinating them and then either incarcerating or fining them for the trouble they've caused all the rest of us.

But hey, if you can live with that, you be you. That's obviously all that matters to you anyway.

 

@Aleksander Ulyanov

Follow your own advice and have the courage of your own convictions and tell us how you think people should be dealt with who refuse the vaccine.

Go ahead on and pony up

 

**** 'em they're old, Right?

Old people are not overwhelming hospitals because they are old but because they have COVID and are unvaccinated.

 

Yep.
Let’s ban the entire demographic - if you are old, even with vaccine, your odds of needing a hospital to treat covid are still higher.

 

If what you say is so then the moral dimension of my argument is even stronger. Our hospitals are overwhelmed with people who thought they were immune but were not. You took the chance now pay the price. If you're sick, stay home. You may survive and someone whose place you might have taken will survive too. Save a life, risk your own, that was your choice from the beginning but quite probably wasn't theirs

 

No, let's just ban anyone who won't suffer the extremely minor inconvenience and take the nearly nonexistent risk of being vaccinated. We can't help getting old but we CAN reduce our chances of being hospitalized with COVID to almost zero and it is COVID sufferers that are overwhelming our hospitals

 

I disagree. Why can working-age unvaccinated population that is productive and pays taxes be denied treatment when we can just ban old people and kill two birds with one shot - free up hospitals for our precious selves, and save taxpayers money on all that BS expense on old and invalid and use the funds to build more hospitals to ensure that everyone who contributes gets the best treatment possible to put them back into workforce in no time!
Who are you to make such decisions and designate hospitals for yourself? What’s your contribution? I had covid with very mild symptoms and didn’t need a hospital, why should we, the healthy, share our precious resources on others who just take and never give?

 

Like I said, "F*ck em, they're old", that's been your "solution" from the beginning (and it was Trump's too) . It's not mine.

 

Vaccination DOES stop the disease from hospitalizing you. The numbers are clear on that, practically NOBODY suffering from COVID in a hospital, (or dying from it) has been vaccinated.

I don't really care about who catches the disease or how it spreads, that's totally unimportant if we can keep it from hospitalizing us.

And that's all I'm saying here. If your precious FFRRREEDDOMM not to suffer a tiny jab is more important to you than your own life, fine. It's NOT more important than mine is to me and if I have something requiring Intensive Care I DON'T want to be denied it to save some silly ass who thinks Bill Gates will turn him magnetic or believes Trump will know he died for his Talking Point by telepathy.

 

So f*** them... Let's have the SWAT team come and kick their door in and round their old asses up handcuff them and stuff them in the Paddy wagon and then cart them off to prison and forcefully vaccinate them and fine them $1,000 and keep them locked up for a year....

I would say take their children away but it's too late at that point but I'm sure all this is music to your totalitarian ears right?

And if they should have the gall to try to resist why the government should make an example of them right?

 

Well, then, in reference to your OP - no deal. I’m not vaccinated, had covid, and don’t give a damn about your hospital needs.

 

Buy your own intensive care unit.
Problem solved!
The ones open to public are as much yours as they are mine.

 

I pay taxes and insurance, I've financed that hospital as much as anyone. What I haven't financed is someone who basically wants to sh#t in the street and then have me denied a bed due to his treatment for cholera

 

So, everyone that wants that benefit, will get vaxxed.

That's ridiculous. That's exactly the kind of mindless angry demonization that the entire country is fed up with. In your mind, there is no legitimate reason for not getting vaxxed, and therefore, if you haven't, you are some kind of a crazed conspiracy theorist.

What if you are:

• Prone to anaphylaxis shock?
• Allergic to components of the vaccine such as polyethylene glycol?
• Pregnant?

You know what? This is America, they don't have to explain themselves to you. I'm vaxxed, but, it was MY decision, no one else's. And frankly, I'm not that impressed with it, I still maintain my distance as if I'm unvaxxed, and thankfully, so far so good. Hopefully I have increase my odds of an easier case, that clears quickly and so less exposed to permanent organ and/or artery damage.

 

I make every effort to never talk about anyone personally here. This is a discussion board and I discuss issues, though I do use people as examples and illustrations. I apologize if I wasn't clear about that.

I'm glad you survived COVID I hope you gave your nurse and doctor profuse thanks. Maybe even a nice gift.

 

Then don't get vaccinated and if you have good reasons like that I think you can go to the hospital with a clear conscience if you get sick

You will anyway.

 

My body, my choice...
No one on here is asking nor do they need your blessing or permission.