Anyone still BELIEVE Trump ?

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  1. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And this has been his MO for is entire adult life...and likely longer.
     
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    Bravo!! Well stated. Expectations of a person in that role must not deteriorate Standards must be maintained.....or exceeded...
     
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    I haven't detailed the Manafort papers, other than to know that the crimes he was convicted for were not related to the mission of the Mueller investigation at all. There were pursued as a lever to force Manafort to bargain by giving Mueller something else (real or invented) he could use against Trump- a fishing trip, using extortion. Hardly respectable tactics.

    Flynn is different. Flynn was set up, and there is no question about it. Even Comey admits he pulled one, and was amazed he got away with it. They told Flynn it was just a conversation, not an investigation, that no lawyer needed, and no Miranda was given- which would make any testimony obtained void under criminal law. They suckered him, and charged him with lying over trivial recall of details. Even the FBI admits they didn't think he was lying or trying to hide anything.

    Our laws are a can of worms, and nobody can play a game when the rules simply overwhelm the capacity to understand them. That should be changed, in part so that common sense is a least a good guideline to whether or not something may violate a law. If you so much as move a rock in a national park, you have probably violated a law. If you set up a campsite in a national park and one of your tents is not occupied on the first night, you have broken a law. If you camp in Shenandoah and have more than 9 people in your group, you have broken a law. The list of things we have made illegal that would never occur as criminal to the average person is huge. People are in federal prison for receiving lobster imports that were packed in plastic instead of wood.... Who knew?

    That is one of the reasons that we lead the world in lawyers per capita. Japan has 7 per 100,000 people. We have 287, more than three times the next highest nation in the world- yet we continue to make law more complicated and compliance more and more difficult as well as dangerous.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good thing you don't expect that of your fellow man, for you would be totally disappointed.
     
  5. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry to hear that you do not know any upstanding people with integrity and empathy...I do and was in fact, raised by two of them.
     
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    Nope...simply....I don't like liars. He is the King of Liars. NBC and then Walk Street Journal just conducted a poll where 68% of Americans believe Trump is lying about Russia. 32% drool while they eat....

    Correction....62% say he is lying....38% drool.....for the record....
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And what America thinks according to todays media controls what you think?
    I don't think you think.
     
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    If the media publishes the truth...I listen to them. But actually...you only need to listen to Trump for a few minutes to figure out he is a liar and a degenerate. The longer he stays in office....the more this country will slide down the slope of Authoritarianism...
     
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    Still believe in the President and what he is doing. I enjoy the fear the left displays by the hour via their never ending attacks on anyone who doesn't smoke their pipe.

    What's remarkable is that anyone still believes in the smoke and mirrors of the New Democratic Party and their partners in the MSM.
     
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    While I see that assumption as asinine, there is something you seem unaware of- the options.

    Did you hear anything when you listened to Clinton? Obviously not.
    I didn't just listen- I've looked under all the rocks where the Clintons have hidden over the last 30 years. Scary to say the least, when you consider how much of the public bought the facade they have always lived behind hook, line and sinker. IF you seriously examined the character of Hillary Clinton, you would know why you are really very lucky Trump won.

    Trump does not hide his real personality as professional politicians do, because he was not a professional politician, a baby kisser, one who tells people just what they want to hear. Clinton on the other hand, always hid her true nature from the public. In private, things were much different. A secret service agent says "Good morning, maam", and Clinton replies- "F**K OFF". Every agent assigned there for her protection got that kind of abuse, and many have now spoken openly about it. People on her own staff saw her coming and ducked into any office or somewhere out of sight. In private- she treated people as slaves, as unworthy of any respect. She walks away from the microphone or camera, and the Jekyl/Hyde transformation changes identity. Don't take my word for it, just do some research.
     
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    Claiming Hillary would have been worse doesn’t excuse the damage Trump has been doing.

    If someone ties you down and starts cutting off your foot, you don’t sit there and take it just because the other guy wanted to saw off your leg, you get me?
     
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    Clinton....Clinton...Clinton. Please forget about her and deal with the criminal now in office. He is at this point, at the very least, an unindicted co-conspirator in a felony. And the Feds have the corroborating evidence to back it up. He can keep calling people insulting names. He can continue defacing NATO and our allies, cause that is what Putin wants him to do. But the day will come when he has to answer to the American people on why he chose Putin over the US.

    He has been lying about his contacts with Russia since day one. Mueller knows that and he is going to let Congress know that we have an agent of a foreign adversary in office. trump is going down....
     
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    Either these Trump defenders are very slow....or they are being paid by the Kremlin.
     
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    And there is nothing- NOTHING- Trump has done damaging anyone except the people already determined to damage America, and the corruption that is rampant in our system. .
    Trump has a strong and often abrasive personality; and he doesn't hide it by pretending as almost all politicians do. Yes, he's a pit bull, and does step on toes- but, the people have been complaining for years about the dog and pony show that has been (and is) congress. Congress really runs the show- and their approval rate is typically about 1/4 of what Trumps is.

    Your hound dawg be barkin' up the wrong tree.
     
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    The only way to hold such an opinion is to have your head in the sand 24/7.
     
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    "I enjoy the fear the left displays "

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    .......Hmm. Sounds a tad sadistic.

    but more important : WHAT fear??
     
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    Please see
    Giuliani has a strange way of defending Trump
     
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    Dirty Donald has been a criminal !00% of his adult life, he would steal the eyes out of your head and swear you were born blind.He is a scumbag of the first magnitude!!!
     
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    Now, THERE is a thought... ;-) Would explain a lot. ;-)
     
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    Wait prove it. OK, rush to prove it.
     
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    Donald has been "proving" his dysfunctional, and suspect behavior all along. He might try to payoff people to hide some of his aberrant antics........but he is actually brazenly transparently ........as he loves to break rules and push boundaries. He believes he can BUY anything and anyone. If he did not have the money he has........he would be a petty criminal. BUT he might just find out that money CANNOT buy everything anymore........and he might regret ever running for a job that DOES require integrity, credibility, at least a modicum of ethics intelligence and capability. And lawfulness. OTOH.......he would just spin things to himself and others to fit his ongoing narcissistic narrative.
     
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    Trump's personal lawyer for 12 years has incriminated him in two felonies. The New York prosecutor has corroborated those charges.

    There are four Congressional investigations and one special prosecutor investigation into Trump's collaboration with a hostile foreign power and obstruction of justice. It is being suggested that Putin has something on Trump. We don't know for sure because Trump is the first President since Nixon not to reveal his tax returns. What is he hiding?

    Trump is amoral and has admitted to sexual promiscuity and is known to know have two affairs, one with a porn star the other with a Playboy bunny, while married to the First Lady and months after the birth of their son, Barron.

    Trump named Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, thereby removing the U.S. as a power broker in the Mideast because the Arab nations don't trust him. The U.S. has been replaced by Russia.

    Because of Trump, the U.S. is the only nation in the world not to be a member of the Paris Accord which is attempting to control global warming.

    Trump imposed a 25% steel tariff and a 10% aluminum tariff on our friends and trading partners creating trade wars which are damaging to all economies.

    Trump imposed harsh tariffs on China, thereby causing a trade war damaging to the two largest economies in the world.

    As a consequence to Trump's trade wars, all the gains made this year in the stock market have been wiped out and millions of American have lost a great deal of their savings in IRA's and mutual funds.

    Trump removed the U.S. from JCPOA which permanently barred Iran from making a nuke and replaced it with harsh language and weak sanctions. As a consequence to Trump's decision, Iran is now free to copy the U.S.. She can follow Trump's precedent and remove herself from the JCPOA and resume her nuclear research if she so chooses.

    Trump has shown a fondness for communist dictators Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Xi.

    Trump has antagonized the leaders of our allies, Britain's May, Canada's Trudeau, France's Macron, and Germany's Merkel.

    Trump has threatened NATO, an alliance meant to control Russia.

    I could go on, but you get the picture. This is why I dislike the Trump administration.

    I have been accused of having TDS. In view of the facts presented above -- facts that are beyond question -- it is Trump's fans who are deranged. Supporting Trump is not in their best interests.
     
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    "Trump's fans who are deranged. Supporting Trump is not in their best interests."


    ...but they don't see it that way.Not sure their loyalty will be repaid. Or how they will feel as the legal issues start to strangle him. That circle is closing in......

    and the only one with Trump derangement syndrome.......is Trump.
     
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    I think he is a sociopath without a conscience. When it comes to it, he will throw the members of his family, as he has done to his friends and associates, under the bus before he will take responsibility for anything. Everything else you say about him is true: callous indifference to situations that would cause a normal person to feel compassion and empathy, insulting and abusing allies and anyone who criticizes him, manipulative, etc. He's a narcissist and a con man. Not a normal human being with a healthy mentality.
     
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    Why do you hate the truth? You want to believe the worst of our country? That's a very sad state of mind. The USA has never been a kleptocracy. The facts belie that. It's transparently obvious.
     
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