Apollo and Sunlight : addendum

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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    It does not fall faster and the astronaut was not on a wire.

    You have no case to close you have been proven wrong years ago and that is the end
     
  2. Betamax101

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    Bullshit and please tell the viewers why you don't apply that to the volleyball jumper!

    Bullshit and please tell the viewers why you don't apply that to the volleyball jumper!

    Addressed, answered and ignored many times already and always "something else" apart from what you are being asked to address "closes the whole case".

    Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)

    ANSWER THIS HONESTLY - particularly the bit in red!

    1. We see a shadow to the left tracking forwards and dispersing.
    2. We see faint darkening middle far right as the soil hits the ground at the same time.
    3. But most of all which you pretend not to see, is the damn parabolic arc WE CAN SEE between his boots in perfect motion with him.

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    In the clearest possible way, you have been shown sand rising to the same level as his feet, on a man jumping straight legged.

    1. So far you have made the bullshit claims about him bending his knees, which in my gif he did AFTER he was airborne and only briefly!

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    2. When your idiotic video's claims were directly refuted - you completely ignored this!

    3. You then invented an even more ridiculous claim about "every time" when they "don't bend their knees" and soil goes up as high as their feet - 3 absurd conditions - that in that instance the sand and feet fall together. Bullshit.

    Gif 1: Shows the conditions you failed to find! It also completely refutes your arguments.
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    4. You then invented some blundering crap about him going forwards, which even a 7th grader would know makes no difference to speed of fall!

    5. Finally we now have the limit of your absurd cowardly responses. You now say the "sand is rolling off his toes" - irrelevant it goes to the same height as his feet so must fall the same. Followed by the Apollo soil "takes the full force of his jump". Notwithstanding that he is RUNNING and John Young is stationary - again this is irrelevant.

    The ONLY thing that is relevant with gravity is that they should fall at the same time. It is unavoidable. He must be on wires is the moronic conclusion, playing volleyball! The real explanation is dispersal and visibility. The sand is lost against a background of the same color. Just like John Young on the Moon. However, with young we have 3 major clues.

    You've lost, you know it and everyone who sees this knows it. Once again through your persistent spam and denial, a fully verified action has been made on the soil for the Navy Salute, proving beyond any doubt that he is not on wires and given his space suit and minimal visible effort, he must be on the Moon.
     
  3. Scott

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    In the volleyball footage you point out cases in which the sand doesn't go up as high as the person goes. It starts falling before the person does. That can be explained by some of the sand not getting the full force of the person's jump. In the Volleyball footage there is sand that does go up as high as the person goes and it goes down at the same speed as the person does. You're not addressing the fact that the sand that does go up as high as the person does, falls at the same speed as the person does, and that in the Apollo footage, the soil falls faster than the astronaut does.

    (post #43)
    I put the Apollo video on full screen and .25 speed. I can see the arc you're referring to and the soil goes up as high as the foot but it falls immediately. The astronaut hangs there after the soil starts to fall which would not happen without the wire. The speed at which the soil falls is also faster than the speed at which the astronaut later falls. With no wire, the two speeds would be the same. He's obviously on a wire.
     
  4. Betamax101

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    Irrelevant. You claimed it always goes up as high via your Chemist video. Withdraw that claim.

    You are lying. It clearly does NOT!

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    Some of it does, the soil that doesn't get as high. Just like the volleyball picture. You ignore grey regolith on grey background but lie about beige sand on beige background doing the same damn thing!

    No need. the animation shows all you need to see!

    Right there is your credibility down the toilet!

    3. But most of all which you pretend not to see, is the damn parabolic arc WE CAN SEE between his boots in perfect motion with him.

    [​IMG]


    In the clearest possible way, you have been shown sand rising to the same level as his feet, on a man jumping straight legged.
     
  5. Scott

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    Anyone who sets the speed of the video at .25 can see that this is not the case. The soil goes right down and the astronaut hangs there. The soil also falls faster than the astronaut later falls. This is consistent with the astronaut's being on a wire.
     
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    What video? The animated gif comes from the clearest direct video copy I have seen. Maybe you are using a deliberate crappy one.

    Just like with the volleyball player. Must be faked huh?

    You've got nowhere to go and you know it. Right there is your credibility down the toilet!

    3. But most of all which you pretend not to see, is the damn parabolic arc WE CAN SEE between his boots in perfect motion with him.

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    4. Quite clearly is the wave falling in front of him darkening the ground as he hits the surface far right middle - just deny it stay consistent. I have created a slower "fall from the top" contrast darkened version:-

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    In the clearest possible way, you have been shown sand rising to the same level as his feet, on a man jumping straight legged.
     
  7. Scott

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    Anyone who watches this video at the 4:40 time mark at .25 speed can see that you're grossly misrepresenting what's happening. There is soil that goes as high as the astronaut's boot. The astronaut hangs there while said soil falls back down. It hits the surface before the astronaut starts to fall. You're manipulating a gif to falsify what's happening.

    Apollo 16 - Flag and John Young's jump (7 minutes, 360°)
     
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    You aren't the spokesperson for anyone and you are the one denying the undeniable. It is completely in your face and you still deny it!

    Some of it does, some of it doesn't. Your video is not the most clear footage! My gif shows the shadow to the left the soil faint shadow to the right and the main item, between his boots the parabolic arc of dust. On THIS video below, clear as day!

    No. You are lying because you know you are wrong, that is just as sad as you can get. Your whole online campaign down the toilet with your credibility.

    MORE CLEARER VERSION!



    3. But most of all which you pretend not to see, is the damn parabolic arc WE CAN SEE between his boots in perfect motion with him.

    [​IMG]

    4. Quite clearly is the wave falling in front of him darkening the ground as he hits the surface far right middle - just deny it stay consistent. I have created a slower "fall from the top" contrast darkened version:-

    [​IMG]

    In the clearest possible way, you have been shown sand rising to the same level as his feet, on a man jumping straight legged.
     
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    Bump
     
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    There are electrostatic forces on the moon, and the "sand" is a very fine dust, and it is in very low gravity, so the sand will behave differently than it does on earth.

    Due to the electrostatic charges, the astronauts had difficulty with all the moon dust sticking to them.
     
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    Bump.
     
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    You'll never "win" an argument with Scott, but I applaud all of the good effort!
     
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    Hey Durandal...

    Check out this thread.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/gene-cernan-jump-proves-they-are-on-the-moon.580330/

    Start watching the video in post #5.


    Watch what happens at the 00:14 time mark at .25 speed. It's clear that the dust is bouncing back up after having fallen. What Betamax says is the dust landing is really the dust bouncing back up after having landed. When the dust is kicked up, it reaches the ground before the astronaut's feet hit the ground. This is consistent with his being on a wire.

    I think it's pretty clear that Betamax is willfully trying to deceive the viewers here. What do you think?
     
  14. Betamax101

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    The dust hits the ground.

    Totally moronic - you have no credibility at all. That is so ridiculous it is not even possible - bouncing dust that somehow simultaneous strikes with his feet!

    The one thing that shows quite how dishonest you are is the video accompanying this animated gif, showing gravitational analysis that proves your claim is stupid. Bouncing dust and gravitational motion exactly in perfect lunar freefall!

    That's your level of expertise. No other subject in this field has you attaining that level of skill.
     
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    It's hard to actually lose against such dumb claims. Almost every post he makes comes from the height of ignorance and incompetence. I refuse to let this person influence other clueless people.
     
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    You're doing God's work, as they say.

    I once argued with some nuts at the late Pravda forum about this very topic. One guy wanted to claim that the sun was too large in the Apollo photographs to be real, failing to understand that there is a bright halo effect around it due to the camera's optics.

    Examples:

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    https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-134-20411.jpg

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    https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-134-20412.jpg

    To me, the second image easily refutes claims that the sun is as large as it appears in the first image due to the narrow beam apparent in the second. These happen to be two photos from a panorama set taken during Apollo 17.

    I wonder how Scott would explain the very obviously real sun in these images that illuminates distant terrain the same way as everything immediately in front of the astronaut. That would take quite an impressive artificial light source at quite a distance away.
     
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    He won't. He ignores it or denies it and spams some other crap about a molten hot command module splashing into the sea.
     
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    For Scott/Cosmored - ANSWER THIS HONESTLY - particularly the bit in red!

    1. We see a shadow to the left tracking forwards and dispersing.
    2. We see faint darkening middle far right as the soil hits the ground at the same time.
    3. But most of all which you pretend not to see, is the damn parabolic arc WE CAN SEE between his boots in perfect motion with him.

    [​IMG]


    In the clearest possible way, you have been shown sand rising to the same level as his feet, on a man jumping straight legged.

    1. So far you have made the bullshit claims about him bending his knees, which in my gif he did AFTER he was airborne and only briefly!

    [​IMG]

    2. When your idiotic video's claims were directly refuted - you completely ignored this!

    3. You then invented an even more ridiculous claim about "every time" when they "don't bend their knees" and soil goes up as high as their feet - 3 absurd conditions - that in that instance the sand and feet fall together. Bullshit.

    Gif 1: Shows the conditions you failed to find! It also completely refutes your arguments.
    [​IMG]

    4. You then invented some blundering crap about him going forwards, which even a 7th grader would know makes no difference to speed of fall!

    5. Finally we now have the limit of your absurd cowardly responses. You now say the "sand is rolling off his toes" - irrelevant it goes to the same height as his feet so must fall the same. Followed by the Apollo soil "takes the full force of his jump". Notwithstanding that he is RUNNING and John Young is stationary - again this is irrelevant.

    The ONLY thing that is relevant with gravity is that they should fall at the same time. It is unavoidable. He must be on wires is the moronic conclusion, playing volleyball! The real explanation is dispersal and visibility. The sand is lost against a background of the same color. Just like John Young on the Moon. However, with young we have 3 major clues.

    You've lost, you know it and everyone who sees this knows it. Once again through your persistent spam and denial, a fully verified action has been made on the soil for the Navy Salute, proving beyond any doubt that he is not on wires and given his space suit and minimal visible effort, he must be on the Moon.
     
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    Quite telling how every single thing he has said is disproven in one post yet he still pretends none of it has and avoids responding!
     
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