AR without pistol grip!!!!

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So I'm seeing photos of ARs with the pistol grip removed and various types of things attached instead, from shotgun-like stocks to a little finger grip where the pistol grip would be.

    does anyone have any info about these things?
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    They are the AWB legal version of the AR.
     
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    der wüstenfuchs Member

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    Whether the rifle has a pistol grip stock or a regular stock it doesn't matter. Neither of those features makes the gun more or less deadly. Nobody should care what style grip it has because it doesn't matter.
     
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    nra37922 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, they need to watch out for those 300 rd magazines that can be fired in 1 sec.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what does make the AR super deadly, is its semi-auto ability.
     
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    Also makes it a very versatile weapon, for a variety of legitimate purposes.
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no trained hunter needs a semi-auto .223 that can fire 30 shots in a few seconds, to hunt deer.

    such a function is useful only for a military-style assault.
     
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    Glock Well-Known Member

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    but, it's not the deer I'm worried about......
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    your astuteness is blinding. The 2nd A wasn't installed for hunting. Go reread the Constitution and the comments supplied while crafting the 2nd A. Hunting is a sport for some and a means to supply food. anyone that uses a gun of that caliber with a 30 rd magazine for hunting shouldn't be hunting.
    But that doesn't exempt the possession of such and item. The purpose of the 2nd A is intended as a deterrent for government take over.
    And, anyway, why should you be so concerned with what other people own? It isn't any of your business and it isn't any of my business what they own either.
    You also realize while the 2nd A isn't the only right we have, it is the only way to protect the rest of your Rights.
    What is a Man without Rights?
     
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    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Preference, like a car or wife.

     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    we don't live in a barren desert, now do we?
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    Now yer talkin'. I get to use the extra magic bullet that wasn't used in the JFK assassination see if I can hit a mountain got 1500 miles from my bedroom. That'll definitely be the shot for the records. Explain to me how my gun makes you unsafe from Indiana to NY. No what if games..I want actual events that have happened to someone in NY done by someone from Indiana.
    All you're trying to do is whip up the fear. Every time a Lib says something about taking guns away, sales skyrocket. Thanks for driving the market. And since you own, thanks for your support
     
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    Battle3 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, lets talk about what people NEED.

    And I'll bet if you told me all about your hobbies and lifestyle, I could find all kinds of things that you dont need. Two tv's, more than one car (or a car that goes faster than 55 mph, you certainly dont need that), large refrigerator, house that is more than a kitchen-bath-and 10x10 bedroom, iphone, maybe you play golf, all kinds of things you don't need. But you won't want to give them up because you like your lifestyle and dont want other people dictating to you. But you have no problem defining what other people need.
     
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    butt it's SCARY!!!! :omg:
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ahh, but he might want one, and unless you can show he intends to use it coercively, you can respectfully (*)(*)(*)(*) off out of his life, mmmkay?

    The burden isn't on him to show he "needs" the gun, the burden is on the state to show criminal intent.
     
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    Rosa Parks didn't NEED to sit down on the bus.
     
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    I hunt with an AK-103. 5 around mag. I carry a few other 30 round mags because it isn't unheard of around where I live to need them. they aren't carried to shoot animals wildly and crazy. also Personally I would never hunt a deer with a .223 just my 2 cents.
     
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    I hate hunting, its boring as hell. I do however enjoy setting up empty beer bottles and cans and taking them out with my semi automatic AK-47.

    As im sure you know semi auto isn't restricted to rifles. Pistols are semi auto, revolvers can rapid fire 6 rounds in a few seconds.

    What are you advocating? The only type of firearms people should be able to have are single shot?
     
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    1. Hunting is not the only firearms related sport.
    2. If the function is only useful for military style assault:
    a. Why does the military abstain from fielding AR-15's?
    b. Why do other useful purposes exist?

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    Super deadly?

    Then why is the 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington viewed as too anemic to hunt deer in Colorado?
     
  20. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol!!!!

    gun extremists are now a persecuted minority group, huh?

    lol!!!! :roflol:
     
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    Oh, rights can only be violated if you're a minority? Got it.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh look, a strawman. :)
     
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    You should know, I was responding to your strawman :clapping:
     
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    You poor silly pup, Ronstar. The ability to fire 30 rounds, or 60, or 120 "in a few seconds" is absolutely meaningless. If you ever find yourself in a State where freedom has been preserved enough to have public lands where people go to shoot, and the guns to shoot there, just go to one of the shooting places and watch for a little while. You'll see people who set up targets at considerable distance, and then use proper stances to accurately hit them. Those guys are firing one shot at a time, and several seconds apart, regardless of what sort of action their firearm has.
    You'll see other guys who set up things like frozen gallon jugs of water, and then try to hit them, shooting fast from a freestanding position. You'll notice that the targets are entirely safe.
    The people you see who are actually "firing 30 rounds in several seconds" know fully well that it is futile to aim at anything. They make a lot of dust and noise, and God only knows where their shots went.
    30 round magazines are good for storing ammunition in the ready state, just in case a band of rogue dingos happen to rampage through the neighborhood. I have a few, for just that eventuality. I don't like 30's, because they are cumbersome, and I never fire that many rounds from my AR or AK at any "high" rate, because I simply don't abuse my firearms. For the AR, I prefer 20 round magazines, and rarely load more than 10 rounds. It normally takes at least 90 seconds to fire those 10 rounds, because I want them all to hit within one minute of angle. They do.
    For this very reason, my slow fired 10 rounds are immensely more "deadly" than those 30 (or 60, or 120) that some clown dumped from his mag as fast as he could.
    Don't let any anti gun *******s read this though! They think that by eliminating the pistol grip, and welding the muzzle brake on, and limiting magazine capacity to 10 rounds, it will cause an immediate and totally effective reduction in 7-11 robberies by gangstas who don't use AR-15's, and couldn't care less about any law.
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    correct. I have 25 rd mags for my 10/22. You cannot just up and whip out 25 rds that fast and hit anything. You need to take a second and make sure you're dialed in on your target. I carry the 25 round mag so I don't have to carry two or three other magazines. and machine guns almost need to be mounted on a pad to keep it steady as it is fired. I just love it when "Ahnold" grabs the 10 mm mini-canon and fires it like a small rifle hitting everything he shoots at...I fired one once, never hit my target but put a lot of holes in the barn and oh, my, it was sho' nuff a lot of fun.
     

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