Are Conservatives More Complex Than Liberals?

I think when you use common sense, Liberals are way more complicated since there is no way to understand them. Its like trying to use logic to explain emotion.

Conservatives can be complex in many ways and in many areas of life, but being conservative is a simple thing and simple works best. Don't take what isn't yours. Be responsible for your own life and your own actions. Help those who who need help by lending a hand where you can. Treat others the way you would like to be treated. Do not take freedom away from anyone. Yep, pretty simple.

 

Your points are well taken, but I'm grasping for an answer in a thread that has many radical statements but no real data.
Here's what I know by experience:
My third of five uncles was the first to earn $50,000 in a year. He was a boilermaker in a corrupt union and often cheated his employer-and through them their clients-with doctored punches. Collecting unemployment for several weeks almost every year was part of his career plan.
My fifth uncle was a devout Republican and believed that no one should collect unemployment as long as his family were willing to support him, so he didn't work at all for many years. In his spare time he became an alcoholic and eventually spent about 15 years in rehab. Then he married at age 61 and soon checked into a government-funded nursing home.
My son is disabled, but his disability checks were stopped when our income had a small uptick in 2011.
A former acquaintance was mentally disabled and granted $6,000 per year even while she lived with millionaire parents.
My wife is self-employed with 8 years and counting of negative income.
My mother quit work when I was five and collected welfare for six years. We lived more comfortably than I do now.
Is there anything wrong with these true stories-and who should I vote for based on them?

 

Who does it benefit if we believe in this Liberal/Conservative axis puppet show? Liberals aren't complicated at all. It is easy to see that everything they do attacks the majority from the bottom up while their Conservative allies attack us from the top down. Unless you want to believe you are free and only dominated by people who deserve their power, you will easily come to the logical conclusion that the goal of post-1960s Liberal behavior has been to protect the illegitimate rule of the class all their leaders came from.

Liberal is merely "Conservative, Jr." The class duty of these double agents is to purposely propose things that are disgusting, insulting, and threatening to the majority, not because Liberals actually believe in their agenda, but because they subconsciously want to trick the majority into supporting the Conservatives in reaction to these intentional Liberal provocations. The Liberal snobs may actually believe that they believe in their agenda, but they don't have minds of their own and are entirely driven by the indelible class-supremacy attitude they were brought up in. Lying to themselves about what really motivates them is the worst form of insincerity.

Why do you want to believe that anyone in the upper class expresses his true feelings? Are you a slavish peasant who likes to get his face pushed into the dirt by his self-appointed Masters? Abolish birth privileges and we won't be bombarded with these brain-dead and insincere Liberal or Conservative ideas.

Conservatives don't believe in doing it on your own. If they did, they wouldn't accept Daddy's money. Their parents are their Nanny state. Hypocrisy is their only value. But what is their Daddy's is not theirs. If they truly had to do it on their own, most of them would wind up living in trailer parks. Without an allowance in college, they wouldn't graduate and be stuck in a downward spiral just like real Americans are. They are frauds just like their Liberal fraternity brothers are. People don't like to admit that they've been suckers, but I don't care about your denials.

We outnumber the Liberal/Conservative class 100 to one. It's time to assert our superiority instead of being tricked into worshipping one wing or the other of this illegitimately empowered vulture. We can crush the rich parasites like grapes. It's time to quit whining and start making wine.

 

Um... I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but currently, coal is the number 1 source for power generation in America.

Clearly, the regulations haven't changed the practical worth of coal as an energy source.

What regulation does accomplish, however, is the preservation of air and water quality.

The oil industry is pretty heavily regulated as well for similar reasons to coal.

 

This is the double-talk called "critical thinking." Being #1 doesn't mean it isn't prevented by oil companies from producing even more. True critical thinking would get you to the truth behind basic lies you have been brainwashed to accept as self-evident truths.

Another example of this Liberal/Conservative class solidarity is the forest-products industry. "Paper or plastic?" Forest products are in direct competition with the petrochemical polymers and that is the real reason behind tree-hugging. Do you think such a fringe group would have any power at all over our laws if it wasn't financed by the oil industry? Even more proof is that most enviros are children of the rich. Nature is a pretty sight only to those sitting pretty. Pollution is like spitting into the ocean, just an alarmist lie to frighten us into getting cheated by those who control our resources, which by rights belong to all Americans and not to just a privileged few, no matter how much they paid our government in order to rent our resources.

 

Well, first of all, coal doesn't generally compete with oil. As you mentioned, oil is used for various petrochemicals and plastics along with fuel. Coal is mostly used for power generation.

They're not really competitors in most respects.

As far as pollution goes though, air quality has a direct effect on the prevalence of respiratory illnesses among the public. Water quality is pretty important as well.

Pollution can be most directly tied to issues of public health.

And as far as resources go, what do you propose? Nationalizing them?

 

This expresses the inherent problem with America today, hatred, and it's predominately coming from the "conservatives" in America today. In the above statement it is used to rationalize racism where hatred of Hispanics and African-Americans is clearly expressed. Is it any wonder that Hispanics and African-Americans generally reject the Republican Party when it's full of racists that hate them? The above could be paraphased as "I hate Blacks and Hispanics because politically they oppose my hatred."

Those that have different political opinions are not our enemies but instead are our opponents. If our political arguments are compelling then we can convince logical people of their validity and others, including our opponents, will listen and change their opinions. When we resort to believing they are our enemies then we no longer engage in political debate. We no longer attempt to reach compromises based upon logical argument but instead resort to attempts at forcing our political opinions upon others through acts of legislative tyranny.

Originally both the Democrats and Republicans had a common belief in "classic liberalism" which is a political philosophy which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with limited government under the rule of law and generally promotes a laissez-faire economic policy. It was this commonality between the two major political parties that allowed our govenment to function but over time that common political philosophy has been lost. Republicans no longer support civil liberties, both parties support large government, both parties have rejected the "rule of law" whenever it doesn't fit with their political agenda, and laissez-faire economic policy has been abandoned by both Republicans and Democrats today. The two parties, as they have moved away from the political foundation for America, which was classic liberalism, have stopped looking at the other side as being political opponents and now, all to often as expressed above, classifies them as the enemy worthy of hatred where political discourse based upon a common underlying political philosophy isn't possible.

 

We nationalize water. The oil companies have proved that the privilege of private ownership of natural resources is inevitably abused. But first of course, we have to get the Environmentalist extremists out of the government. They are all spoiled heirheads who can afford the high prices and job losses they cause. Nature is a pretty sight only to those sitting pretty. They make up alarmist accusations against pollution because their real attitude towards Nature is so obviously silly and childish.

 

Back on thread. Conservatives may in deed be more complex than liberals. Conservatives think!!!! Liberals just parrot the garbage the MSM and the DNC feeds them without question. Being in the Obama cult requires no thot at all.

 

The top ten "Government" indoctrinated/educated states. Is there a reason government needs complete control over education.

 

Conservatives don't think. 99% of Contards have trouble tying their shoes without drooling on their hands.

 

It's too late now. Too much has happened. Left and right reached a fork in the road and took different paths.

You don't really understand conservatives. That's why you wrote the stuff about them abandoning civil liberties. Obama signed the NDAA. Lots of us have no problem with lgbts.

You have touched on one thing that should greatly disturb you. The fact that the peoples of the United States no longer have any unifying priniciple means that the day will come when powerful events occur which rend asunder the mere habits and customs that have united the polity in the past.

What you seek is the return to a past age of comity. But you should realize that one can never go home again. The past can never be restored.

I'm not thinking about unity. I'm thinking about the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front.

 

Right-wing extremists are about half as complex as turds, especially on Saturdays.

 

How much do you study Scat?

 

Do I need to? Who is Abertdisalvo, and does he? Why do you ask?

 

lolo

Are you tellings us you really know your schidt????

 

And love America!

 

You posted that you spent Saturday on the topic.

 

A couple of interesting points but I think they miss the mark. As I've noted both Republican and Democratic politicans have serious flaws and mentioning the NDAA is a good point where Congress and Obama have fundamentally abandoned the US Constitution IMHO.

Yes, there are "conservatives" that support gay and lesbian Rights and, in fact, it was a British conservative that best summed this up when he stated (and I paraphrase), "I don't oppose same-sex marriage because I'm a conservative, I support same-sex marriage because I'm a conservative." Historically conservatives did support civil rights but with the emergence of the "social conservative" movement based upon Christian theological beliefs that has been predominately abandoned by Republican politicans. Combine that with the Tea Party Movement which is an anti-tax movement, not a fiscal conservative movement, as well as the racists that adopt conservative ideologies and the problems are compounded. What I find interesting, as well as discouraging, is that these are rather small elements of the "conservative" ideology but they have assumed control of the Republican Party with Republican politicans pandering to the extremists.

Of course the Democratic Party has it's own problems as well. Once again we see extremists controling the political leadership. The ACA (Obamacare) did not address the increased costs of health care in America at all. It was a compromise between a single-payer system and government controlled healthcare using private insurance (which had originally been proposed by Republicans). The Democrats are also pandering to extremist elements in their party.

Where I disagree is that I believe that most Americans are "moderates" and are not extremists. They don't really want large government and would be demanding smaller government if one thing was to occur. If we actually had to pay for all of the existing federal expendatures (that neither Republicans or Democrats propose) then I believe the American People would be demanding "less government" moving back towards the "classical liberal" political philosophy. The "liberals" are correct that the tax codes favor the wealthy. Even as a libertarian I know this to be the case and unfair taxation is reprehensible. I find it hard to understand why Republicans aren't opposed to unfair tax codes that overwhelmingly favor the wealthy over working Americans.

Bottom line is that I believe that the American People are still predominately "classic liberals" and are not "progressive liberals" or "social conservatives" which are the positions that the Democratic and Republican Party now represent.

There are certainly extremist groups but they are a rather small percentage of the population. The problem is when the politicans are pandering to these rather small extremist factions. The Animal Liberation Front is mentioned which could be considered an extremist "liberal" organization but then on the opposite side we have the "anti-abortionists" that are hardcore opponents of abortion but they only represent about 17% of all Americans so why do Republican politicans pander to them? It's the pandering by politicans to extremists that is the root of the problem as extremist groups will always exist but, for the most part, should be ignored in our political processes.

 

I am just a Cambridge dimmo. What do you mean?

 

Dimmo, your clearly in England, how can you call yourself a dimmo from Cambridge, I understand its sarcasm but it really makes me question your patriotism to Cambridge as well as England.

 

If you really care that little about air and water quality, you might as well move to China. They don't technically nationalize their resources, but the money made from industry is heavily reinvested in public structures while concerns about air and water are put aside.

We don't really have environmental extremists in our government at all. America has some of the laxest environmental standards in the First World when it comes to a lot of pollution. Oftentimes, pollution controls are enforced by state governments rather than the feds. Some states (including my own) are pretty loose in regulating air pollution. The consequence of this is greater incidences of acid rain and illnesses like chronic bronchitis.

We also have several locations with a higher amount of lead in water due to the use of chloramines in water treatment. Chloramines react with older piping in ways that can leech lead into drinking water.

Then there are issues regarding water pollution that results from agricultural runoff from things like hog farms.

So, if anything, a lot of states aren't restrictive enough. The feds rarely get involved unless you're talking about things like protecting federal wildlife reserves or setting certain emission standards for vehicles. Even so, the strictest emission standards are enforced by states (like California) not the feds.

 

I'm glad you love America. But the affection isn't mutual.

 

I agree with most of what you have said. Conservatism should never have embraced the Country Club/Wall Street set. Same with social conservatives. In a better world we could turn back the hands of time to do just that.

Leftism has seized control of the public schools, the media, the culture, and now the political playing field on the federal level. I see these changes as permanent.

Thus conservatives have been effectively disempowered, marginalized, and reduced to the level of livestock to be milked by the granger.

The problem for the US is that there are around one hundred million of us who can no longer successfully express themselves politically. Do you know what happens to such a large group of people? They get alienated and estranged in ways that haven't really been seen in this country since the Reconstruction Era. In other words they coalesce into a poison pill that Amerika can't digest.

 

The reason the GOPers collect fringe groups is that all they really care about is making the rich richer and can't get elected on their real platform. So they pretend to be for religion, guns, joining the military (this from Chickenhawks?) small business, etc., and against gays, illegal immigrants, abortion, etc. In order to avoid only getting 1% of the vote by appealing to the only people they really care about, it is necessary for them to sucker disenfranchised groups into forming a majority that will get none of its goals achieved. On getting elected, the GOPers will abandon these useful idiots and concentrate on legislating economic class supremacy.