To be sure there are large numbers of Jews that are "anti zionist". http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ This does not mean that Zionism is a bad thing. It is simply a movement that wishes the return of Jews to Zion/Jerusalem and the land of Israel. Zionism has come to mean more than just this, just as being a conservative in the US has taken on a different meaning than "fiscal restraint, limited Government and abiding by the constitution". You would not call someone "anti American" for calling someone a Republican. This does not mean that there are not "anti semetic" folks that try to demonize Jews based on Zionism but this has little do to with using the term to identify folks on the basis of political affiliation and political beliefs.
terrorists are terrorists and nothing to do with who pro whom.. and each one who pro palestenians is not a terrorist like american citizen did. we can pro anybody we like. that's a form of democracy right, guys? who wants to blame you? nobody. 'cause you're thinking logically. everybody needs to idolize someone else and we choose palestenians. who is suffering from the intimidation of israel. what's wrong with that? so palestenians are not terrorist. because they can not be! their country is under control by israeli troops. so no chance to build terrorists in there. I don't know outside middle east. but i think it also impossible. how can the small group of people could against the massive army around the world? and where they get a weapon? machine guns? where? does it all make sense? i don't think so, right? you agree with me? so, what about if the terrorists are made up by americans themselves to spacegoat palestenian people as a "terrorists"? they said ; 'cause their course to take revenge to america and their alliance? mm..it's lke a fairy tale.. hhhhh.. and funny...hhhh
Zionism Zi·on·ism Zi·on·ism [z ə nìzzəm] n movement establishing and developing a Jewish state: a worldwide movement, originating in the 19th century, that sought to establish and develop a Jewish nation in Palestine. Since 1948 its function has been to support the state of Israel. Encarta ® World English Dictionary Ever hear of Hamas? ; Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HamasSince June 2007 Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories, ... You can not separate the two, Hamas is Palestine’s army. So I reject the claim that Palestinians are not guilty of terrorism by association. Maybe not all but enough exist to make the delineation that the Palestinians support Hamas and their actions. See above. What if Israel used peaceful methods even in the face of atrocities of terrorism to achieve their goals. According to you the pals would no longer garner empathy eh? They have no nation and never have. They are staying in Israel by the grace of the Israelis. When Israel become a nation in the 40’s it was not named Israel and Palestine! It was named ISRAEL…. period. Palestine is a GEOGRAPHICAL area like Harem or Appalachia in the USA. One can not claim to be a citizen of Palestine no more than they can claim to be a citizen of Harlem or the Everglades. No, I don’t agree with you. 9/11 was no fairy tale. The people using a scapegoat is those that control the Palestinians (who have been used from the time of the father of fatness greed and using his people Mr Arafat. Personally I empathize with the so called Palestinian people, in much the same way I empathize with the homeless that come to our mission for help. Most of them really feel they are a real people because they like the usual suspects have bought into the Propaganda and the manipulation and the lies that Israel owes them a homeland. The propaganda originates, ie ; is created by those that have a vested interest and by some that have a national vested interest in seeing Israel being eliminated. Making a Palestine homeland in Israel specifically Jerusalem will severely harm Israel’s cultural identity and its ability to defend itself as well as weaken its currency and standing in the world. If Israel is harmed , if the Arabs are allowed total control of the dome of the rock and the wall, I am sure that the end really will be near. reva
Ok so you are guilty of terrorism committed by the American military. You are guilty of the deaths of those children murdered by an American soldier a few weeks ago. That is your own logic there.
That is a bit rich coming from someone that defends some of the actions of terrorists ie the Palestinians/Hamas. You know and I know that there is a difference between legal war and terrorism. Yes legal war is a real and valid term. Terrorists are cowards for many reasons not the least in that they intentionally target innocents as the main course of their killing. They sit down and plan how to slaughter the max number of unarmed women children and other helpless folks, the more the better. A real military operation only intentionally slaughters the terrorists. However, all war is awful and I do not condone war unless its for demonstrable self defense or for national security. So I hate to tell you this but I personally do not kill or directly harm anyone. That said I can delineate between a terrorist and a military solider. One, the terrorists, are murderers. The other are trained killers. One ie the terrorists intentionally targets anyone from the unborn to those in nursing homes. The other, ie the professional military man never intentionally kills civilians as a rule, they kill other military men and terrorists in this case. I find it sicking that anyone would say my logic is bs while they defend terrorists and equate terrorism with general warfare! Oh yes they attempt to make that illogical argument that has so much smoke and mirrors that it should be a David Copperfield majack show. Lastly I trust no government they are all evil by default with only degrees of wickedness separating the evil from the most evil. Only God is true and righteous and God will prevail as the final government. reva
Rubbish. There is no good killers and bad killers they are all killers and to try and claim otherwise just shows that you have no real grasp of reality. Soldiers target women and children,they have been bombed by US military forces in many countries including Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan,Somalia and Yemen.The Americans have bombed wedding parties, a few of them. They bombed them on purpose,they did not make a mistake,they wiped them out and then afterwards they make excuses. Your line about how you hold all the Palestinians responsible for the deaths caused by a few members of Hamas or whoever is a joke and it puts you in the position where going on your own logic you are to blame for the murder of children in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
Little men usually talk a big game but when they have to produce something to back up their BS the best they can do is a personal attack....not that I am speaking of anyone here...* cof * ~ WAIT!!!! Hark I see a two three four or more lines of response! BRB ~ reva
Not a personal attack it is a statement of fact. You claimed that all Palestinians are guilty by association for terrorist attacks and that is BS. By your own logic you are then responsible for the murder of Afghan children.
Hey what happened to old man on fire? Anyway!~ with all due respect, if you do not know the difference between those that intentionally target civilians and non combatants as a normal, indeed as nearly the only way to carry out a military attack vs. a professional military that only plans and attacks (in over 90% of the cases) armed combatants, we, no you have a problem with reality not I! I am astonished that most of the Usual suspects can rationalize beheading a school girl is the same thing as killing an armed enemy in a fire fight. Source me MOF....show where USA soldiers as an normal order of business do such things as intentionally target non combatants as normal operational procedure. Now any fool knows there are going to be atrocities where professional soldiers go berserk but that is not normal soldiering! Source that proves of lends evidence that the USA intentionally targeted non combatants? The wedding parties I am thinking had a few special guests there. The USA was targeting the terrorists that DECLARED WAR ON THE USA. Even if you could provide a couple even ten or twenty incidents where non combatants were targeted (you won't) still that is not the standard operating procedure! For terrorists its the ONLY operating procedure! And that is the crux of the problem. When terrorists hide among innocents there is going to be collateral damage. Know what? If Ben Laden came to my land with a platoon of his scroungy stooges and asked to have a party or just hang out I would tell him to leave or they could hang in that big oak tree. Please use quote tags when you make such claims, there usually is a reason when the tags are not used....like I did not say it. Here is all I could find; "Personally I empathize with the so called Palestinian people, in much the same way I empathize with the homeless that come to our mission for help. Most of them really feel they are a real people because they like the usual suspects have bought into the Propaganda and the manipulation and the lies that Israel owes them a homeland." "You can not separate the two, Hamas is Palestine’s army. So I reject the claim that Palestinians are not guilty of terrorism by association. Maybe not all but enough exist to make the delineation that the Palestinians support Hamas and their actions. " "That is a bit rich coming from someone that defends some of the actions of terrorists ie the Palestinians/Hamas." Where do I say ALL pals are terrorists? So you either misunderstand or are intentionally twisting what I said or I may have a hidden typo somewhere that you are saving... Here is what I meant ; The Palestinians that ALLOW the terrorist HAMAS among them and assist them are guilty by associating and giving aid and comfort to the enemy. In war you can be summarily executed for giving aid and comfort to the enemy and or collaborating. So I do not see where my logic fails. I do not think Palestinians that hate HAMAS are guilty of anything, heck no I would give those people a metal!! So again as I said, I do not approve of most war. That includes war that my elected officials (not I) get us (the USA) into that are not clear cut self defense. Afghanistan was an exception because we were trying to exterminate those that murdered thousands of our civilians. Those chaps have been paying the price for those 9/11 atrocities, personally speaking I think their debt is not even half paid. However I would be for bringing our troops home with the promise if there is a next time we will come to stay. Thanks for your reply~ reva
Tell it to the hundreds of thousands of women and children that the US military butchered in Vietnam while poisoning their country that has led deformities in their offspring to this very day. That is terrorism and American terrorism is the worst in the world. They have butchered millions so even trying to compare then to some or other group who killed a few people is a joke. You should hang your head in shame that you defend a military that has caused pain and suffering to Vietnam,Cambodia,Laos,Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan,most of Latin America and Indonesia. Your failed arguments do not interests me, you trying to paint the Americans as saints and others as demons is laughable. A US soldier murdered a load of women and children a few weeks ago. Do you read the news? Do you have problems suing google? There were no terrorists there at all,the Americans bombed a few wedding parties and murdered loads of people. You trying to make a claim that there were terrorists there just goes to show you know nothing about these incidents. I got exactly what you meant, I even quoted it and here it is again. No denying it,you said it. You reject the claim that Palestinians are not guilty of terrorism by association. That is what you stated. So by your own logic you are responsible for the murders of Afghan children.
Can't you understand that? If they associate with HAMAS they are guilty of terrorism by association. Yes indeed. Again I am no more guilty of any act of terrorism because I abhor terrorism which is what I have said from day one. The Usual suspects so want me to say what they think I think so badly that they can not understand plain English. Then the suspects attempt to claim a professional army, the USA in this case is guilty of being terrorists. Now that is patently ridiculous, dishonest so far from the truth it is beyond silly. I am not going to delineate the differences between the armed forces of the USA and HAMAS because I already have (above). And if you missed it its common sense anyway. reva
Do you even know what you are typing? A legal war? what the hell is that. Even in the UN, the perm members can't decide and if a individual goverment starts a war then it is against international law.
It is very clear that you meant that all the Palestinians who voted for Hamas are guilty of terrorism. So you who voted for the American government are also guilty of supporting the murder of Afghan children. I will also add that you claim that Hamas are terrorists and produced some silly wikipedia article. Well let us have a look at that claim. The vast majority of the world do not think that Hamas are terrorists,the fact is that only allies of America class Hamas as a terrorist group. Sorry to burst your bubble but you are in the minority. That you defend American terrorism just shows that you are a hypocrite. To try and defend the mass slaughter of civilians is a joke.America has butchered more people in the last 5 decades than anyone on the planet. They murdered their way thru Vietnam leaving hundreds of thousands dead and a country devastated including the use of agent orange which to this day is producing deformed Vietnamese children,they have never even said sorry for that. They murdered up to 600,000 people in Cambodia,50,000 in Laos,over a million in Iraq,30,000 in Afghanistan and they have been complicit in the deaths of many hundreds of thousands more in Latin America and Indonesia. That you think that the Americans are some kind of professionals that do no wrong shows your total disregard for the deaths and destruction they have caused. Your arguments are made up from little factual information and seem to be based on fox news reports and various rightwing websites,you will not win any discussion with those sources and certainly not against me.
