Are YOU Brainwashed - under the influence of mind control

Your argument is predicated on one premise which is that if someone claims they are not brainwashed they have provided defacto proof that they are brainwashed.

This is a circular argument which is self defeating and therefore false.

It therefore follows that no we are not brainwashed as you have no evidence that anyone is brainwashed beyond the self defeating circular argument.

Circular reasoning is not evidence anything which can be asserted without evidence is rightfully dismissed without evidence.

 

Well, I didn't read your entire tirade, but it looks like you want grass legalized. Frankly, I don't give a damn. I smoked it for a few short years when I was young and have had no interest in it since. I've been to Amsterdam a couple of times and walked along streets where there are marijuana cafes. Don’t care that it is legal.

I don't think it is a hard drug and don't care if people smoke it or if it is legalized. I do have a problem with people smoking it and then driving. I don't think one alcoholic drink an hour for a couple of hours makes someone too drunk to drive, but I do think smoking a joint and getting high makes someone too loaded to drive. So that's a problem.

But it has been legalized in Colorado, and I think Washington, and I haven't heard any stats on more motor vehicle accidents, sooo... But anyway, I don't care one way or the other. IMO Grass is boring, caring about it is boring, and all these threads about legalizing it are boooorrrrrring.

And no, I'm not into alcohol either, rarely drink any more and never had a problem with it.

I think trying to tie brainwashing and being anti-grass legalization is silly. People may be uninformed or something, but they are not brainwashed. Just because someone doesn't want pot legalized doesn't mean they are stupid; it just means they see things differently than you do. Not realizing that is not very smart.

 

I make numerous arguments but you miss my assumed premise. There is no circular argument - unless one can refute the assumed premise.

The assumed premise is that we are all subject to brainwashing. In other words - input from the world around us impacts and changes our perception. Changed in perception result in changes to the way people act and think.

Feel free to challenge my assumed premise - but if you accept this premise then my claim is true.

The claim is that if one does not realize that one's perception has been altered (in this case - that the believe some propaganda being fed to them by the mass media) then they are - by definition - under the influence of mind control.

Only by recognizing that these influence exist - can one work to battle that influence.

If nefarious information that influence one's perception are not recognized - one is then influenced by this information.

 

Wrong.

It is a circular argument to claim that someone under the influence of mind control denies being under the influence of mind control and therefore is under the influence of mind control.

That is precisely what your claim is predicated on and it is circular and self defeating by definition.

That is your assumed premise and not only it is challenged it is debunked and proven false by the nature of being a circular argument rooted in a contradiction.

Altered perceptions are not mind control.

 

You have not debunked anything. Altered perceptions - by definition - is mind control.

 

Yes I have and no it is not.

Your perception changes virtually every minute you are awake. When you read a book or drive down the street and see a car you have never seen before or meet a new person.

It is not control of any kind it is experience and learning or merely observed.

Your premise has been massively debunked.

 

Standing on a soap box crying "debunked debunked" is not proof of much.

There is a difference between natural perspective alteration - such as by driving down the street - and alterations of perspective due to propaganda.

The only fallacy here is your conflation of the two.

 

Wrong.

I am not crying debunked I pointed out repeatedly why you have been debunked and proven massively wrong. You presented no evidence of any kind whatsoever and your argument is predicated on circular reasoning which is an irrefutable fact.

I conflated nothing you made no distinction between different types or alteration in perception until now. And the reason for this is you cannot distinguish between what is natural perspective alteration or anything else. Your exact words " altered perceptions - by definition - is mind control ". That is not by definition mind control as an altered perception does not mean altered thinking.

When a teacher gives information they are controlling or brainwashing no one they are simply giving information. Anyone might call it propaganda but it is simply information.

The fact is propaganda is highly overrated. For example Micheal Moore. Nothing but a dishonest hypocritical propaganda artist and an entire industry has grown around correcting and debunking his stupidity and lies..

Clearly people are not so easily controlled or brainwashed and you can provide no evidence that they can be.

 

I did make a distinction. Don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension skills. I clearly stated that I was referring to propaganda as the factor in influencing perception.

When an authority figure "such as a teacher" is giving information - and that information is not strictly factual (contains opinion or bias of any kind) this affects perception and is a form of mind control - by definition.

Your problem is that you not understand what mind control is.

 

No that is not mind control by definition.

You lack comprehension of what mind control means. The key word is control. Influeneing someone and controlling someone are not the same thing at all.

I understand it far better than you do which is why your entire premise has been proven a massive failure

You made no distinction period as my quote of your statement proves and your argument is circular and rooted in falsehoods and ignorance.

 

You have never studied mind control so quit pretending otherwise.

 

I never claimed to have and you have not studied it either and you are clearly no expert either you simply spout false definitions and circular logic.

 

I have studied mind control - which is why I know that you nave not.

Your example of a teacher (claiming this is not mind control) - proves you do not have the faintest idea what mind control is.

You built a big strawman - and are attacking me on the basis of the strawman you built - not on the content of my post.

 

You have studied nothing and have no idea what mind control is as I have proven.

Teaching someone is not mind control no matter how much you scream that it is.

It is not.

I built no strawman I stated irrefutable facts which crush your premise and destroy it and you hate it.

You have nothing now but unsupportable self proclaimed expertise which is total BA. Everyone is an expert on everything on line but you are are demonstrating lack of basic knowledge proving no expertise

 

Don't blame me for your ignorance of what mind control is. The idea that the education system is not a form of "mind control" is beyond preposterous nonsense.

That you claim "teaching someone" is not mind control is beyond loopy doopy. There can be no "mind control" without teaching someone.

You are clearly out of your depth.

 

Yes there can be as control and teaching are two different things. Control means to make someone do what you want. Teaching means giving them information and letting them act on their own.

You have clearly lost and have no idea what mind control is.

Education is not mind control

You have no evidence for any of your claims.

 

I did give evidence for my claims. You just ignored it and made up a strawman.

You are making up your own definitions as you go along. Changing one's perspective and the way they think (through teaching, education and so on) is a form of mind control. This does not mean that all education is a form of mind control.

You do not understand the subject matter so you are making broad assertions that are false.

Control is not necessarily to make them do "what you want" in a specific sense. It can be in a much broader sense.

Teaching some kid that if the do some action .. the state will punish them with death .. is mind control - even though what is being taught is true.

You seem to have this idea that all form's of mind control are bad - which is not the case.

When mind control becomes bad is when what is being taught is propaganda... and there is much "propaganda" in our education system.
This does not mean that our education system is all propaganda.

When a child is taught - if you "question" or "do not believe" certain tenets of some holy book - you will suffer eternal torture - this is a sophisticated mind control technique.

The objective of the religious leader - in many cases- is not to make the person do specifically what they want "like some manchurian candidate".

When the state engages in propaganda that keeps people from challenging certain state actions. It is not to get some person to go out and do some specific thing - it is to encourage them not to react.

The Military - which uses mind control techniques to help soldiers overcome the natural human aversion to shooting another human - that is getting someone to do specifically what you want "Shoot on Command". This seems to be what you are talking about - getting someone to do what you want in a specific sense.

Teaching someone (or not teaching someone to think for themselves via) the Golden Rule are both form's of mind control. In both cases the teaching will have an effect of the persons perspective/thought patterns.

In the first case the person's is taught to view their actions in a certain way. "Do unto others what you would have them do to you/ treat others as you wold be treated" ..Decisions will be affected by whether or not someone adopts this perspective.

Likewise - someone who has no - or a different measuring stick - will make a decision based on different criteria.

 

False statement, just about everything you type it would seem, such as now. I did not state any penalty for codes as I leave codes to the code minded, fools all. I specifically addressed murder and that has been my point all along, you have no clue of that which you state.

 

Wow, exposing the soul are we?

 

Where have you made numerous arguments? Most of your premises are flawed and your conclusions could be used to illustrate a book on logical fallacies.

This seems to be one of your favorite of the numerous logical fallacies you have committed. Oh and another of your favorites that holds no water either:

Could be caused by an advanced degree in some liberal art, not law but some liberal art.

 

"I've come to realize that the biggest problem anywhere in the world is that people's perceptions of reality are compulsively filtered through the screening mesh of what they want, and do not want, to be true." - Travis Walton

Where the fear of being wrong when you are, outweighs the fear of being deemed an idiot.

 

I once spent an hour trying to find my keys while parked in a nice secluded area. I finally found them hanging in the ignition right where I had left them.

 

System double post corrected

 

Dictionaries, those things to which you seem allergic and nothing has changed here. So what is your source for this wild unfounded accusation?

The closest I could get to your opinion on perception would be the Urban Dictionary, written by the ignorant for the ignorant:

But in the real world,

In no way does this support what you are trying to proclaim. In order to grow an individual must alter his perception of what is around him. There is nothing new in this universe, just things that have yet to be discovered. It is the ignorant that do not alter their perceptions to reality.

Perception is in the mind and is within the realm of the metaphysical branch of philosophy. You definitely do not understand philosophy. But you have a philosophy which seems to be based on Plato, Kant, Hegel, where A can be B at the same time in the same instance.

 

Quit talking about things you do not understand. You post a bunch of stuff about perception - which is fine but then do not address the topic - which is mind control in relation to perception.