Are YOU Brainwashed - under the influence of mind control

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Giftedone, May 21, 2018.

  1. AlNewman

    AlNewman Well-Known Member

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    And that would be no twice, no you didn't and no he didn't.

     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  3. AlNewman

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    You mean I should stop talking about things which you do not understand. That isn't going to happen.

    There is no such thing as mind control in relation to perception, there is but propaganda controlling weak minds incapable of controlling themselves. What you pretend to know would fill volumes, what you have demonstrated to know would not even fill but a fraction of the smallest post-it.
     
  4. AlNewman

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    Yep, that's what it is, transference. But perhaps you should understand that is a mirror you are looking into and not reality.

    By the way all you have offered is a real strawman argument, not fake like you accused another a few posts back. Event though it could also be deemed "Red Herring".

    But still the root of the matter is you have offered nothing in the way of facts. Facts are objective, not subjective, an area you do not seem to understand the difference. For me, this thread has run it's course with you. If you were to perhaps stumble upon some knowledge of the subject, then perhaps you could figure it out, but I doubt it.
     
  5. J.Idallian

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    Stopped reading here. If your diatribe starts out with an extremist statement, it's not worth continuing.

    Does one plus one equal three? If you answered no without considering the exestential concept of self or ask "what are numbers anyway?" you are 100% a lizardpeople invader from the moon!!!!!
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well people are controlled all of the time, not by some mad scientist using mind control rays, but by social conditioning and by information. So in our reality this is mind control, or an attempt at it. The sci fi mind control you seem to be talking about does not exist, or if it does, I have not heard about it. Mind control can be very subtle and sneaky. It has risen to a science if not an art form.

    Hell, I thought most educated people knew this.
     
  7. ChristopherABrown

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    No, what I posted is a fact you are not aware of regarding the constitutions origins and that fact cannot be diminished

    Umm, attempting to change the subject does not alter the situation of what you were ignorant of in the origins of the constitution. Clearly the integrity to discuss reserved rights is not present. Done.
     
  8. a better world

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    Are your biases showing?

    Moore experienced the gradual reduction in auto workers' wages and conditions, during the decline of Detroit which was caused by external competitive forces in the global auto market.

    In fact the global neoliberal competitive free market system, in the absence of a global oversight mechanism to manage such competitive processes to avoid the destructive effects of said competition, was the reason for this decline.

    Your portrayal of Moore, whatever his faults, is...… lacking in intellectual rigour!.
     
  9. a better world

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    My post in summary stated that humans, like animals, have the instinct to survive, but unlike animals, humans also have self-awareness and the capacity to manage instinct. You claim this is my (worthless) opinion, not based in reality.

    So, let's explore which one of us is ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, or otherwise not based in reality, as you have suggested in your remarks above.

    Well, I admit I suggested you had scant contact with reality with your suggestion that humans are "dumber than animals" (no doubt as a necessary basis of your support for an Anarchist position), and this has obviously caused you some offence, but anyway I'll deal with the substance of this comment.

    You ask "How does one manage instinct?"

    The answer: through exercising the capacity for self-awareness, endowed on humans via the evolution of the cerebral cortex.

    Another of your statements whose basis in reality I have to question: being well below the top of the food-chain can hardly be characterised as fending for themselves.


    Re your comment on "a belief system" (do I detect a straw-man here?) My claim is this: I love life, because through consciousness, I have the possibility of experiencing joy. Further, I acknowledge this possibility (to experience joy} applies to all human beings. Can you elaborate on how this construction demonstrates my incapacity for "free thought"?

    No moral principles? I presume respect for life is a moral principle.

    Well, I strongly suspect your definition of Natural Law is not based in reality. (Feel free to refute this directly, I will listen carefully).

    My understanding of natural law: evolutionary processes manifested in nature eg with the survival of the fittest (observed by Darwin), behaviour driven by the instinct for self-preservation, and the instinct to survive. The reality of the tooth, claw and predation of this 'natural law' cannot be denied.

    At the dawn of the space age, it behoves us to liberate ourselves from such "natural law".
     
  10. AlNewman

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    Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by repitition). Repeating things over and over does not change your flawed subjective opinion into an objective fact. Objective truths are indeed facts that cannot be diminished which is why your flawed opinions are not facts, they are easily diminished except in your mind, best defined as solipsism.

    Having a little problem comprehending are we? Wasn't changing the subject, asking for clarity of what you where referring to and it would seem you have no clue which is in line with my expectations.
     
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    Where you looking in the mirror when you made that observation?
     
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    Ad Hominem noted.

    Feel free to tackle the substantive issues in that post, plus my previous post #109
     
  13. AlNewman

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    And it gets no better being repeated but I'm glad you are starting to see the opinion you offered was worthless and not based in reality. There may be hope for you, nah just being overly optimistic.

    You still have no clue about words, ignorance is a choice. Stupid is not a choice but a birth impediment limiting ability to learn, only an ignorant soul would misapply this condition. Brainwashing is but indoctrination so readily accepted by the ignorant masses. I can see by your reference you have no clue about "based in reality" and had to borrow from me. Gee, first clue would be my guess.

    Most humans are much dumber than animals. Definition, a statement of the exact meaning of a word. An exact statement or description of the nature, scope, or meaning of something. The degree of distinctiveness or clarity of an object, image, or sound. The more accurate our definitions for words or concepts are, the better our clarity of meaning, and therefore, our understanding, of those words or concepts will be.

    Lower level animals, not having formal language use actions or short sounds to portray communications based on emotions. Humans, being among the higher level animals, have a much more complex mental capacity based on the brain.

    Brain Health plays a critical role in human behavior, so it is extremely important for human beings to become familiar with the brains basic structure and function. Three main complexes comprise the human brain: the R-Complex (Reptilian Brain) which facilitates basic survival functions, the Limbic System (Mammalian Brain) which facilitates human emotion, and the Neocortex (Human Brain) which facilitates higher thought functions and conscience.

    Approximately half of the world's population spend their whole lives stuck in the Limbic System, decisions based on emotions, no better than a lower level animal but without the instincts the animal has for survival. Perhaps this is the reason the US places so low on the average IQ of countries.

    Contentious statement, one which I doubt very seriously you have the capacity to defend. Contentious because your statement is in conflict with itself. Instincts are part of the Reptilian brain, emotions are part of the Mammalian Brain. I doubt you can in any way define how the Human brain effects either of the Reptilian or Mammalian brain as so adamantly displayed by your post.

    Another uninformed opinion that I doubt you can defend.

    Everything to you is a straw man. So much so that you have proven you have no clue as to what it means.

    Principles, from the Latin noun principia: "First, foremost, leading, chief, most necessary".

    Respect for life is not a principle much less a moral principle. Respect for life by itself is meaningless. The fact is that being you are still breathing you must use nourishment, so what is your principle on respect for life, something died that you may live. How do you justify this with your "moral" statement?

    You strongly suspect but you have no clue, just as I have been stating all along. So now we both agree that this is an objective fact. Darwin was an idiot and liar, but it is duly noted he was your hero.

    Natural law is easy, jump off a building, you will be introduced to the consequences of violating natural law.

    What a totally ignorant statement. On April 12, 1961 a Soviet cosmonaut was the first man in space, so that address the false dichotomy of dawn.

    Natural law is the law of nature not the whim of man. Natural law is immutable, not subject to the perceptions of man. Liberate, you mean ignore, the basis of ignorance. Man can ignore natural law and usually do but the consequenses can never be ignored as manifestation is automatic.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Noted, does that mean you are going to do some study on the matter to understand it? I doubt that.

    Substantive, not really; subjective, absolutely. You have no issues, just rhetoric and innuendo.
     
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    Demonizing the messenger is not an argument for anything. If you know so much about mind control then tell us how it works and in particular explain how it is not related to alteration of the persons perspective.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you are going to cry "red herring" then explain what that red herring was.

    Twirling about crying "you have not stated the facts" is not an argument for anything.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which of the two statements that you cherry picked from my post do you consider "extremist"/ not true ?
     
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    I think pot and other drugs have contributed to our degenerate society and culture. Sure it's fun to giggle with your friends and get the munchies but it makes people lazier and more stupid. Just look at the bozos and bums at the pot rallies. It makes our society less productive. Am I brainwashed that drugs are bad? No, but there is an epidemic in this country. The real brainwashing is our consumer culture.
     
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  19. AlNewman

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    Then why are you trying to argue something you proclaim to know nothing about?

    That is why Google was invented or is research beyond your capacity?
     
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    Again, do you have any capacity for research?

    But I thank you for your honesty in your declaration of not knowing anything. I'm sure that was only a mystery to you as most have figured that out with reading just a few of your posts.

    Facts are everything but then in order to determine a fact, one must first understand the principle under which they toll. Principle involves morality, impossible when ones morality is based on moral relativism.
     
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    Actually you are brainwashed. You make a broad generalized statement based on the general perceptions of the day. Natural drugs have many valid uses but as with anything else, abuse is part of human nature. You probably don't have a problem with sugar, the most abused drug on this planet. One only need look around to see the extreme level of abuse by the low intelligence life so prevalent in so called "civilized" society.
     
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    Off topic.
     
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    Nice strawman - attributing statements to me that I did not make.

    Do you have anything other than insults and fallacy to contribute ?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I made no such claim. Attributing claims to me that I did not make - then in the next sentence saying "Facts are everything" is laughable and hypocritical nonsense.

    Did you have anything other than fallacy and insults ?
     
  25. AlNewman

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    So is the problem that not only can't you do research but that you can't comprehend what you are stating? The words are all yours, so how is that a straw man?

    It has become plainly obvious that you do not care to use research material and instead try and bluff your way through thing with some brainwashed notions of perception. Sort of like lighting up a doobie and believing one is now super intelligent and can solve the problems of the world while staring at a green waiting for the signal to go.

    Insult, snowflake, politically correct, all signs of the times where ignorance reigns supreme and knowledge is the stranger.
     

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