Are YOU ready to stop the "lock down" over Corona Virus.

There’s no easy answer but I agree with opening in phases. It’s the only sensible way, at least until a reliable antibody test or vaccine is available.

 

Evidently, from sources that you will dispute as inaccurate or unfounded immediately after I spend half an hour detailing them for you. If you wish to believe that this virus outbreak was merely a chance coincidence -- occurring as it did a very short distance from China's premier bio-engineering laboratories, then you are welcome to do so. For every 'source' that maintains this was merely a chance, random disease anomaly that happened, 'one-in-a-billion-style', involving pangolins, bats, snakes, etc., there is a source that maintains this was a government lab-constructed bio-weapon that was released on humanity -- probably because of rank mismanagement and stupidity.... I choose to believe Pompeo and Trump, and you probably do not. Fine. The 'fat lady' hasn't sung yet, but the day is young. The truth will start to become undeniable when the rest of the world presents China a multi-trillion-dollar BILL for all the damage it has caused with its malfeasance and inattention....

Conversely, have you ever had a 'flu shot' that you are certain protected you from the flu...? Can you prove it...? (See what I mean?)

 

A couple of weeks ago I was sitting in the lounge with some of my fellow first responders/EMT's/Paramedics talking about the virus and why some people cannot stay put or go outside without masks/gloves until either things get sorted out or we get the pandemic under control and the one thing we all agreed on was, as frustrating as it may be, you cannot fix stupid no matter how much reasoning you try to do with some people.

If people want to break quarantine that's their choice, you get to roll the dice. If you don't catch the bug and die then bully for you. If you should catch it and die or are crippled for life, so be it. The US Constitution means absolutely nothing to the Coronavirus in that it doesn't discriminate when infecting people, it definitely complies with Title VII. To those of you who demand to exercise your rights under the constitution I wish you the best of luck.

 

I agree with you in principle, but I draw a hard line when people deliberately disobey a reasonable, lawful government policy regarding personal behavior and conduct during a pandemic.

Our "Founding Fathers" lived in a time when people had a keen awareness of what a plague-type disease could do to cities, towns, and an entire country, and they would never have suggested that (knowing what WE know now) anyone should feel that he/she has a right to run the flagrant risk of spreading a disease among innocent people.

When we mash all the "air bubbles" out of this, we'll all be moving fairly freely everywhere soon -- but we'll be practicing 'social-distancing', we'll be wearing masks, and, hopefully, we'll be wearing 5-mil, nitrile gloves. In the meantime, we must try not to be stupid, but, as you said, "you cannot fix stupid...." I don't have a great deal of faith in the possibility of a "vaccine", if only because all these years of 'flu-shots' have been, all in all, a pretty dismal failure. But, maybe we can at least develop some kind of medicine that will fight the virus once we get it.

 

Sell any bidets? LOL

 

Governments cannot stop any virus. A free people should be informed not locked down. Unfortunately with such mistrust of the biased media many have stopped listening.

 

Not that i am aware of

 

As a rock-solid Conservative, I'm a big believer in freedom... but I'm also in favor of using common sense and precaution when the entire world is having to deal with a pandemic virus.

I can agree with people who say that most businesses should not be totally "shut-down". Yes, people should have the right to open their businesses and use common sense, reasonable methods to deter the spread of diseases, and, people should have the right to do business IN those business places, too, if they want to.

BUT, it is not unreasonable (IMHO) for people go out in public places to be required to observe the requirements of 'social distancing', to wear masks, and (I think) to wear gloves of some kind (I like cheap, disposable, 5-mil nitrile gloves which you can buy at hardware stores -- CHEAP).

There's still so much that we don't know about these diseases! And use the plural because, already, there are at least 33 different mutations of the COVID-19, and some are more lethal than others, and this is very likely the reason that the 'strain' in the Northeast U. S. is more lethal than the 'strain' that is predominant in the Pacific Northwest. The internet is full of these reports for those who will simply google them up!

Here's a few:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12326324
https://www.dawn.com/news/1551621
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...371-coronavirus-has-mutated-into-more-than-30
https://www.wrdw.com/content/news/T...virus-mutates-into-33-variants-570169131.html

 

So you're educated and I'll assume very smart. But you are apparently not smart enough to see that you political values are clouding your perception and interpretation of the science.

 

Another
I don't need no ejucation. Faith works.


My best friend is an M.D. too. U.S.C. Me, U.C.S.F. Both considered "better" schools.

When we catch up we wonder how "civilians" survive.
Witness the change of hospital designs. No more 10' "institutional windows"
that can be opened. BTW he caught TB - coughing blood kind - because his
office was next door to the active TB Sputum collection room.

Replacing vinyl floors that could be sloshed down with Clorox
with indoor / outdoor carpeting. More surface area for microbes to colonize.

YOU trust the experts!
They Cannot Be Trusted. Ref.: link to opinion poll abovewards

 

Yes
We need to move on

 

What is wrong with liberals that they are indifferent to the plight of people who depend on their jobs to stay alive and feel a sense of dignity? Hunkering down in my house with a pantry full of food is easy for me. For my neighbors on the east side of town? Not so much.

 

Yes, the restrictions need to be eased here in Texas and able bodied people need to reclaim their jobs.

Locally, 53 people have died out of a 1 million people in the county. 27 deaths are from one local nursing home and 6 from another. So, we have 20 deaths outside of end-of-life centers out of 1 million people.

Statewide, 884 Texans have died out of 30 million people. 395 in senior care facilities, or 45%. That leaves 489 deaths out of 30 million people not at end-of-life centers.

The very first restriction, before closing jobs or anything else, was to boot families and friends out of visiting people in nursing homes and those seniors make up most of the Covid deaths. You can't get more "locked down" than being a resident at a skilled nursing facility right now.

Anyway, 0.0029% of Texans have died of Covid in 63 days since the first death.

We've ramped up testing and more than 95% of people are testing negative, and we're still only testing people with symptoms. We have 1,533 people in the hospital and over 19,000 available hospital beds.

Behaviors have also changed. Most people are social distancing and more than 50% are choosing voluntarily to wear masks in public, and the grocery store I shop most often requires masks for all customers.

I was all for the restrictions before we had any data or "experience" and we didn't know how bad things might get, but now that we have a bit of observable history and data, it doesn't make sense to stop 30-50% if peoples' work and livelihood to save people who are isolated for the most part.

We know which segments of the population need to be protected (as best we can), and older or fragile people not locked down in nursing centers still need to stay home. Outside of that, the math doesn't justify the job losses.

 

I appreciate all the partisan red team members finally acknowledging that it's difficult for some people to save three-months worth of expenses, in case of an emergency. I never want you shouting that, again. Next time one of you brings that up, I'm going to point you to this emergency, where you admit that it's just not possible for everyone to do that.

 

You are just way too reasonable. I agree, though - it's time to start putting some nuance in the mix and let local people make some sane decisions. One-size-fits-all was, as you said, necessary when we didn't know what we didn't know.

 

I know. The liberals seem to have no empathy for the poor...all of a sudden. My job was categorized as "essential", so my life is about "the same" except I stopped going to Friday happy hour to socialize a few weeks before bars/restaurants closed.

There are a lot of people being labelled "non-essential" who are suffering tremendous financial anxiety right now. Their rents may have been "delayed" for April/May, but they aren't "forgiven". And certainly, neither the bank nor property taxing authority is going to forgive the landlord's debts whether or not they get paid the rental income.

The left loves to say, "No person is illegal" when talking about illegal immigrants, but if you say "Everyone is essential" when talking about peoples' jobs, then the left's reaction is "Better broke and in debt than dead". Some would disagree....especially if we can't save the people who are vulnerable.

The numbers are showing that "lock down" is not going to prevent the oldest, weakest and most chronically ill from passing. Yes, we know we might be able to slow the pace down, though that does not appear to be the case in nursing homes, but stopping the elderly and weakest among us from dying in the short run from one of the top ten eleven illnesses/diseases? Math.

 

Death is hard for everyone.

 

Thanks.

I am just speaking for Texas since, for whatever reason, we have extremely low rates of positive tests and we can identify where clusters of outbreaks and deaths are occurring for the most part. I might be panicked and paranoid about stopping lock down if I lived in the Queens borough of New York City!

 

https://news.yahoo.com/shocking-two-thirds-patients-recently-200545296.html

A 'shocking' two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized
in NY had been staying home​

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday that a survey showed that a "shocking" two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized for coronavirus became infected despite largely staying at home.



Oh My!
So . . . .

 

Yes. Do you suppose that they had been on Soc. Sec. Disability payments for years or decades and were pretty close to succumbing to whatever "other" combinations of health conditions they had before the virus hit?

 

It -is- possible, for -everyone- who sees it as a priority.

 

Great. We agree that taking a few weeks to figure out what we are dealing with won't destroy the country.

 

It's been > 6 weeks.

 

So halfway through your magical 3-month emergency funds.

 

I'm not sure why you think this means something...?
Everyone -can- save 3 months pay, if they make it a priority; that everyone -can- do so does not in any way mean everyone -has- done so.