Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

nobody has any obligation to comply with an unlawful order. You don't seem to understand that in the US, we have rights.

 

if his orders were as unlawful as the orders the police were giving him, his subordinates have the obligation to disobey them.

 

Why did the officers firstly refuse to tell him what offence he had committed and then make up some rubbish about not displaying the correct tags.
What you all fail to understand is how quickly the police in Minneapolis draw their guns on black people and how many are then shot dead. If I was black in that state I would be very scared of the police.
If the police still don't get this I suggest they are either incredibly stupid or don't care.

 

. . . he wasn't the police officer's "subordinate."

 

Wrong again! When requested to pull over by a patrol car, you should always pull over where it is safe to do so. Stopping in a dark place is not a safe place to stop.

 

Exactly.

Many people will side with the cop just because he's a cop.
Others will side with him just because he's white.
Others will side with him because they hate military guys.
Others will side with him because that guy has an ugly vehicle.
You get the point.

Hopefully, enough rational people will be reviewing this case and judge the situation fairly. HOPEFULLY.

 

Maybe one of the things the officer could consider doing is simply answer the person's question of why he was stopped. According to the information released, the police stopped him over not having tags displayed. If the officer had said that the person could have answered he had temporary plates on the vehicle and one of the officers could have verified and they would realized they made a mistake.

 

Especially since the tags can be seen in the camera footage. The officer probably couldn't have seen it in the dark, but once he had the guy pulled over in a well-lit area, it was easily visible. He should have just walked up to the window, explained that he couldn't see the tag before, but now he can, and sent him on his merry way.

 

Anyone notice the actual command words given at first encouter?
"keep your hands outside of the window"
"get out of the car"

How can you do that while your hands are out of the window! How many have been shot for "reaching" in their car

 

You can’t. No matter what, you will be in non-compliance and be killed. That is how they set up Daniel Shaver to be executed in a hotel hallway.

 

The officer was abusing his power which is the only reason he didn't provide an answer to the legitimate question. This is why it bothers me so much when people say that ALL black and brown people are confrontational with the police. It's simply not true but it makes it easier to blame them than recognize there are some people that shouldn't be wearing a badge.

 

Full bodycam footage from officer Roidrage.

 

I was driving through Texas once at night and the news said the police were looking for an ax murderer, and I kept a hatchet stuck in the side of the seat of my truck, fully visible when opening the door, put it there after some man tried to force me give him a ride, so I was glad I wasn't pulled over.

I didn't know what was up, they ran up to me and one shoved a 45 up against my head, another was standing back with an M16 pointed at me, THEY DID NOT KNOW ME, understand that, THEY DID NOT KNOW ME, later we found out it was a steam line that broke in the Master At Arms shack, so let's see, if I refused to "get out," and stand there up against the wall with the black man's gun to my head?

The police don't know you, they don't know you, they don't know you, they don't know you, get that through your head, THEY DO NOT KNOW YOU, they know one thing, you won't get out. They don't know if there is a fracking bomb in there, but you won't get out. They don't know if you just cut up a family with an ax, and the bloody hatchet is on the seat, all they know is you won't get out. I feel more sorry for the police officer that lost his job.

 

This is very good news. Lets hope it sends out a message to those who think the badge makes them gods. And at the same time reassures decent officers that they will continue to be respected by the public.

 

In this case, they pulled over the man because they did not realize that he had proper, legal dealer tags on his back window. (at least that is their story) All that should have happened was the policemen should have checked those tags, apologized for stopping him and been on their way.

However today’s police agents all throughout America have been trained and encouraged to get as many motorists out of their cars and search them without a warrant as possible hoping to find drugs or money which they can confiscate. This is a direct result of the idiotic failure called “the war on drugs”.

Asset forfeiture laws allow police agencies to in effect rummage through a car which was stopped for minor traffic infractions, (many of which never occurred) steal money, jewelry, gold and other valuable property and put the burden of proof on the one whose property has been stolen to prove it is his/hers. Thus police agencies encourage their personnel to dig through as many cars and trucks as possible.

These idiotic laws have created a virtual army of roadside bandits and street thugs masquerading as law enforcement officers throughout this country. We need to get back to the days when the 4th Amendment was still in effect and it took a search warrant to dig through a citizens car. Police agencies nationwide have totally abused the exceptions to the warrantless search laws. This is why we have so many instances of police shootings and assaults which happen at routine traffic stops.

 

Which is why the police must be trained to behave in the correct way. Pulling a gun for a minor traffic violation is not correct.

 

And we don't know the police. Most are great. Some of them are violent and crooked. That's why the law is there to protect us both. They don't just get to act like thugs. They can't use fear as an excuse to approach every vehicle they pull over with weapons drawn.

What the officers should have known the moment they got him in a well-lit area is that their initial reason for pulling him over in the first place was a false assumption. Given that he slowed down, put on his flashers, and stopped in a well-lit area within a mile (which one of the officers admitted is a common practice) they should have known that he wasn't trying to elude them.

There was 0 justification for what they did. NONE. He was within his rights. They weren't. The police officer here deserved to lose his job; hell, he deserves criminal charges.

 

But apparently the authorities agree that the cops did not follow procedure and did overstep their remit. Having absolute right over others comes with a high level of responsibility.

 

Which came first the protests or the lack of accountability?

 

Sadly, a significant amount of the cops in the USA lack the required training to de-escalate a situation.

From the first day in the Academy, it is all about establishing "authority" over an interaction with a citizen.

Such is to be expected when any society gives a badge and a gun to a societal misfit (with a 2-digit IQ) who feels "empowered" by the "authority" that they have been given.

Like the cold-blooded murder (committed by a Homicidal Cop) yesterday in Minnesota.
Or the cold-blooded murder of George Floyd.

Sure, there are some "Good Cops" out there, so I wouldn't want to be seen as painting all of them with the same broad brush.
Good Cops do (actually) exist.

It is tragic that so many communities have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for Police.
And, then they end up with a bunch of Racist/Murdering/Rapists (with a 2-Digit IQ) empowered by a badge and a gun to take their pathological urges out on everyday citizens.

Very scary.

Anyway, back to the incident in the OP, I was glad to hear the news of this Assaultive Officer (who had no business ever being given a badge and a gun in the first place) being fired.

Hopefully, criminal charges are forthcoming.

 

And we don't know the guy in military camo. Most are great. Some of them are violent and crooked and about to shoot up a school. That is why the law is there to protect us both. They don't just get to act like entitled whining children. They can use fear of an officer losing their job for misunderstanding why the child will not get out of the vehicle.

What the retarded Officer and Gentleman should have known the moment he got to the well-lit area is that their initial reason for pulling him over in the first place is 100% irrelevant, a false assumption he was innocent of anything. Given that camo man slowed down, put on his flashers, and stopped in a well-lit area within a mile (which one the officers admitted is a common practice for suicide bombers) should have also told camo man that they did not know he wasn't trying to elude them.

There was 0 justification for what camo man did. NONE. The Police were within their rights, not knowing if Camo man was a deraigned suicide bomber or potential school shooter. Camo man wasn't within his rights to resist arrest. Camo man deserves to loose this case and the police officer should get a reward for having to deal with infant children posing as Officers and Gentlemen.

 

Can you help translate that nonsense for someone who isn't whole-heartedly authoritarian?

 

Update: One of them has been fired.

Virginia state authorities to investigate police who threatened Black Army officer

The town manager of Windsor, where the incident occurred, said one of the two officers involved has already been fired following an internal investigation.

Windsor’s town manager said in a statement that an internal investigation found that the officers who pulled Nazario over — Joe Gutierrez and Daniel Crocker — did not follow departmental policy. They were disciplined and ordered to take additional training, said the manager, William Saunders.

Gutierrez was later fired, Saunders said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...lack-army-lieutenant-during-virginia-n1263731​

 

Officer points and gun at you, is infant going to refuse to obey and ask, "why?" Want to save lives, tell the infants to grow the fracking hell up and get "liberals" to stop murdering them by pandering to their stupidity and telling them it's okay to resist arrest.

 

Ridiculous.