I thought they were just defending soldiers in general. I'd be surprised if they were condoning what Bales did.
Mak, for some people, it can be a slow process that finally pushes them off the deep end and into the world of insanity..... and particularly, w/men who are facing combat every day...... And some people who aren't in their right mind can very methodically plan a crime and carry thru w/it.......
They said he was honorable then defended his actions because of trauma. Usually people don't call child murderers honorable.
Ok, well then, I'll agree with you then. I'm sure he was honorable in his services before this horrific incident, but yeah, he can't be considered honorable at all now.
They should execute him. That said, we need to leave that (*)(*)(*)(*)-hole immediately. I'm sick of our troops dying for this nation of welfare parasites and bastard ingrates.
I would like to think the same thing about myself, but you never know what you're capable of in certain situations. That said, I can state unequivocally that I would want to be executed by the military if I ever committed such a heinous crime. There's no reason to live after that and the blood and dishonor must be expatiated.
See duder this is why you have become one of my favorite posters. Don't go all bat (*)(*)(*)(*) on us I like having you around.
I never said they condoned it. I said they made excuses for a child murderer and called him honorable.
Yup. superbadbrutha typed: 'His act may not have been honorable, but I believe his record would speak otherwise.' http://www.politicalforum.com/1061021787-post16.html Then I said this: 'Maybe he was honorable...but he destroyed ALL that cred a few days ago.' And he replied: 'I don't think so.' http://www.politicalforum.com/1061022083-post33.html The next post he typed: 'See these cowards who sit at home in there cozy houses why other men are on the frontline protecting their candy asses are the first ones to want to run out and judge these men of honor that protect these cowards. It just pisses me off to high heavens. Walk in this man's shoes and then judge.' http://www.politicalforum.com/1061022091-post34.html To call a guy that murdered 16 women and children 'honorable' is, imo, ridiculous in the extremis.
So how do you prove that everyone who killed didn't just 'snap' due to some trauma they were suffering?
Don't leave out that I also asked: Have you ever served in a forward area, ever asked a man to put his life in your hands, ever put yours in his. Now to set the record straight only a fool would think that a man that killed innocent women and children was an honorable act. My position was look at his record and that will tell you what kind of man he was. From that you can start to figure out what made this soldier lose it. It amazes me how folks who have never been in that situation are so quick to judge those who have. Tell you what pick up weapon and stand a post or two and then come back and tell us what you would have done or why SSG Bales did what he did. Pressure will make a pipe burst.
And I told you - none of your business. So you think he is an honorable man? Yes or no? And if the answer is 'yes': Just how many women and children would this guy had to have killed before you no longer call him honorable? 100? 1,000? 10,000? 1,000,000? Give me a number?
It's funny how his own fellow comrades are going through the same stress and hell and none of them donned night vision and went out to kill innocent people. I kinda feel sorry for those guys who are trying their hardest and suddenly seen all their efforst go to smoke because one of their comrades decided to go on a killing spree. The american military name is tarnished and i wont be suprised if they pull out of afghanistan quickly now. No one in afghanistan trusts them now. Even the best intentioned us soldier
People handle stress differently, we are human beings. Believe it or not soldiers are human beings too. I've said this story before, during my first deployment I personally saw a 17 year veteran Major crawl under a desk, call his wife, and cry the first time we got attacked. I've seen the most badass guys crumble under fire. I've seen privates who we wondered how the hell the got through basic training grab their man parts and kill the enemy when it all hit the fan. I've seen guys break down in tears begging to just go home out of nowhere while just sittin on their cots at night. Hell when our convoy got blown up and ambushed one time the first thing out of one of my privates mouths was "Man that was F***ing awesome!!!" We are all human, some people can't take combat, sometimes it takes years to develop PTSD. Some guys absolutely love the rush of almost dying and voluntarily waiver their dwell time so they can go right back to war when they get home. Some guys think they are the modern day Animal Mother and literally crap themselves the second a real bullet comes their way. But I feel bad for the troops as well. I was in Afghanistan when that idiot in Florida decided to burn Korans. The backlash from that was enormous, we lost like 10 guys in 5 days, all of which my platoon had to personally extract.
I'll be waiting for the quotes of me claiming this SSG was honorable, and that I am condoning his actions like that guy so openly claims.
sorry but that's not an excuse. His own fellow soldiers are going through hell. It takes a special case of madness to slip out of your base at nght murder children in their sleep and wander back to base hiding your weapons in a shawl. The guy has children for god sake. What was he thinking? That 17 innocent people were responisble for the what happenes to his convoy? No. The man is a cold blooded killer. Pure and simple
Didn't say it was an excuse, I said its a reason. If you think all humans are the same when it comes to combat then id love to drop you in the middle of a firefight and see how well your emotions hold up, don't freak out, you can't freak out because the guys around you won't be freakin out right. That logic makes no sense. People have no idea what combat does to the human mind. One of my squad leaders went insane out of nowhere last deployment and is now in a hospital. How did that happen? None of us went insane, using your logic explain how this could have happened.
*Breaking* Defense official ~ Staff Sgt. Robert Bales to face 17 murder counts in Afghanistan massacre http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_new...face-17-murder-counts-in-afghanistan-massacre WASHINGTON ~ Staff Sgt. Robert Bales will be charged with 17 counts of murder and six counts of assault and attempted murder in connection with the March 11 massacre in Afghanistan, a senior U.S. defense official told NBC News on Thursday. The charges are expected to be released Friday. On Thursday, defense officials changed their official death count in the incident to 17 from 16. Bales is accused of leaving his base in Panjwei, entering a village and killing the civilians in their homes. Bales is being held at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.
