Asexuals are fighting for representation too

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    Very true.

    There are many variations on libido, and this influences how people feel about sexuality and if they wish to have sex or not.

    Mathew 19: 11- 12

    11. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

    12. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

    He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

    I like that passage as it describes somewhat the label of "Asexuality" to describe a persons not engaging in sexual activity for any of a multitude of reasons, be it biologic, psychologic, or other.

    Which is obviously a choice in some cases, and a condition in others.

    Given today's diseases, and how many possible sex partners are not truthful or perhaps ignorant of their own STD status, celibacy makes it's own case for those that have observed patients in the final end or terminal stages of advanced sexually transmitted diseases.
     
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    I too believe true asexuals do not really exist and anyone who identifies as such either has a lower sex drive than the average and thus perceive themselves as "asexual" and/or are too shy to seek sexual relationships and need an excuse to rationalise their fear of rejection or whatever it may be.
     
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    Yeah, I know. Coming in late.

    Setting aside whether the word for the orientation should be "asexual" or not, asexual would describe the attraction (or lack thereof in this case), whereas celibacy would describe the action, or again, lack thereof. One can have attractions and still be celibate. Very similar to how one can be attracted to only one sex, but can still have sex with the other under proper motivation (sufficient pay for example). The orientation and the actions of a person are not interlocked, but independent of each other, regardless of how frequently they are together. Indeed there are asexuals who will have sex for the other person's sake, and/or even enjoy the physical sensations of sex. But that is still irrelevant to their attractions/preferences.

    While obviously not a statistical norm, why couldn't there be people out there with no sex drive?
     
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    It seems that everybody want to be a minority and are ready to use the least interesting part of their personnality for becoming one.

    I don't think anyone care about their asexuality.

    Remember me of one this gay man which mentionned it in the first five minute of the conversation I had with him, off-topic. Well, people which aren't boring people doesn't have to mention their sexuality always, either homosexual or heterosexual sexuality.
     
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    I'll bet that quite a few 'marriages made in heaven' have been lost because one or other of the parties was fearful of rejection?
     
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    The article wasn't specific. What type of representation are asexual folks looking for? Legal? Political?
     
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    Pray tell why is it so difficult to believe in the concept of individuals truly qualifying as being of an asexual nature?
     
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    I thought celibate meant you refuse to be sexual regardless of interest. Seems there should be a seperate term for the disinterested.

    There is quite a gap between asocial and antisocial, as a similar example.
     
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    Asexual does not describe an orientation.
     
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    Why? The phrase "regardless of Interest" would cover people who are disinterested.

    but there isn't between people who don't have sex and celibate people that's the same thing.
     
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    Neither did "gay", "******", or "queer" at one point and now they do. Language evolves. Deal with it

    That said, I did specifically note that I was setting aside the actual label for the orientation to note the difference between having no sexual attraction vs celibacy. You seem to have skipped right over the meat of the subject to focus on the red herring of its label. And while I will grant that such can be an important issue in and of itself, within the context of the orientation, what it is actually called is irrelevant.
     
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    I reject your new speak, deal with that.

    Pointless distinctions are pointless.

    That's because you focused on nonsense.

    The thing you are trying to discribe is non-existent within humanity.

    Humans are sexual not asexual.
     
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    So you are rejecting that "gay" means "homosexual"?

    Your opinions are noted, and that is all they are....opinions.

     
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    First, you are confusing behavior ( celibacy) with orientation ( asexuality). If gay people can have straight sex, and straight people can have gay sex, it is not difficult to imagine asexuals having sex without any particular sexual attraction. If that is true, they will reproduce. Hell they may see a lot of pragmatic advantages to having sex including a desire to have and raise offspring, or to stay married to someone who is not asexual. People make compromises against their sexual orientation all the time

    Second. Celebate people continue to exist in all societies without a direct evolutionary connective through sex. Its not like they have been 'bred' out of the species.
     
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    Well it depends on context. Sometimes people will call something like a record gay that doesn't mean that they believe it has a sexual attraction to other records of the same sex.

    Homosexual is a more precise word. Gay, can mean many things based on context.



    Lol it's long been established biological fact that humans aren't asexual.

    Show me one that can reproduce without mating with another human of the opposite sex. Otherwise, humans aren't asexual and that's a fact.
     
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    My thoughts on this... it probably does exist but is extremely rare.​

    It's very possible it does not describe an orientation in the majority of cases, but in some cases it could.
     
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    Right here you note how a single word can have multiple meanings. Additionally, by showing how gay has gone beyond "light-hearted and carefree" and even "homosexual" to the use on your example, you have proven that language evolves and newer meanings might not be related to their previous ones.

    And here is where you dodge the point previously brought up. I did, very specifically, note that while the label may be wrong, that doesn't address anything about the orientation itself. Not a single person on this thread has claimed that any humans can reproduce sans a sexual counterpart. That argument is as asinine for this topic, as arguing that two gay men or two gay women can't reproduce with each other (outside the artificial bounds of science) as a basis for dismissing SSM.

    So did you decide to ignore the rest of my post, or did you completely dismiss the fact that a typo could result in nested quote sections, and didn't bother to read the whole post?
     
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    you mean like a hermaphrodite that can impregnate themselves?​


    that's what celibacy is.
     
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    well this is a dumb statement I never argued language didn't evolve.

    I argued that asexual is not a sexual orientation



    don't posture I have zero respect our tolerance for that.

    I have no idea what orientation you're talking about. celibacy is not an orientation

    when you claim a person is asexual you are absolutely making that claim. That is what asexual means.

    incorrect your arguments is arguing that a heterosexual man has romantic relationships exclusively with other men that is not what that f****** term means.

    You could prattle all day long about the evolution of language but it hasn't evolved to that state yet.

    [QUOTEPSo did you decide to ignore the rest of my post, or did you completely dismiss the fact that a typo could result in nested quote sections, and didn't bother to read the whole post?[/QUOTE] I'm not digging through you're poor posting quality if you want me to address your statements after you post them if there is a mistake like that edit it I do it all the time.
     
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    Exactly. Excellent comment.
     
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    No true. There are people who have no natural sex drive. It's not just disinterest in sex, it's literally not being sexually attracted to anyone of either sex.

    The ability to reproduce has nothing to do with sexuality, if it did, you couldn't then say that homosexuality is a inborn sexuality because gays can't reproduce.
     
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    they are still not asexual because they cannot reproduce by themselves.

    Human beings are sexual meaning they have to have a male and a female to reproduce. No one human can reproduce without one of the opposite sex and that is what asexual means.

    Tomato tomāto.

    I didn't say anything about sexuality. Asexual refers to an organism that reproduces without mating it is not a sexuality within the spectrum of human sexualities.

    first off I don't say that second that's stupid.

    I have no idea why some people are homosexual and most people aren't. So I would never claim that it was unborn.

    Second saying that two individuals within a species of the same sex cannot to reproduce with one another underscores the argument that humans are not asexual.

    Just to save you some time I am never going to accept the idea that asexual means a sexual orientation.

    It is a term given to a species based on how they reproduce.

    Homosexual heterosexual and bisexual are terms given to sexual orientations.

    Asexual describes parasitic worms that don't mate to reproduce. Or bacteria that don't mate to reproduce.

    So if you're going to continue to argue as though I must accept this stupidity, I will just continue to correct you and ask you how these people you want to label is asexual reproduce. I've never heard of humans reproducing by spores or mitosis.
     
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    I'm not digging through you're poor posting quality if you want me to address your statements after you post them if there is a mistake like that edit it I do it all the time.[/QUOTE]


    1. .
      without sexual feelings or associations.
      "she rested her hand on the back of his head, in a maternal, wholly asexual, gesture"
    2. 2.
      BIOLOGY
      (of reproduction) not involving the fusion of gametes.
      • without sex or sexual organs.
        "asexual parasites"
    https://www.google.com/search?q=ase...2j69i60l2j0.2061j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction to others, or low or absent interest in or desire for sexual activity. It may be considered the lack of a sexual orientation, or one of the variations thereof, alongside

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality




    Asexuality can be defined as being physically asexuality, reproducing without sex, such as with spores, or emotionally or hormonally asexual, which can be defined as not having a natural sex drive and/or orientation.
     

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