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  1. xwsmithx

    xwsmithx Well-Known Member

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    Jordan Peterson is a center-left Canadian professor with a Ph.D. in clinical psychology, not a conservative whack job. That you think he's a conservative whack job says more about you than it does about him.

    I don't believe in any conspiracy until it's been established as fact. James Watson's title-stripping verifies that speaking out on the subject of genetic differences between the races is not allowed by the current liberal orthodoxy, but everyone who has ever studied the issue has come to the same conclusion, even those honest blacks who wrote their own IQ tests. In 1998, the left-wing Brookings Institute (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/brookings-institute/) asked what could be done about the black-white IQ gap. Little did they know that the prevailing policy in 2019 would be to a) ignore it, b) deny it, and c) punish anyone who brought it up.

    The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done
    Christopher Jencks and Meredith Phillips Sunday, March 1, 1998

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...ore-gap-why-it-persists-and-what-can-be-done/

    Lab revokes honorary titles for Nobel Prize winner James Watson after repeated racist comments


    "Watson, who discovered DNA’s double helix structure alongside Francis Crick and Rosalind Franklin in the 1950s, said that genes cause a difference on IQ tests between blacks and whites, in a recent PBS documentary "American Masters: Decoding Watson.""

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mes-watson-honors-racist-comments/2565503002/
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Patently OBVIOUS that you either never read the Brookings article or you didn't comprehend it because it DEBUNKS the racist bovine excrement that blacks have genetically lower IQ scores.
     
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    xwsmithx Well-Known Member

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    I think you failed to comprehend it, because while they disparaged the idea, they failed to debunk it.

    Edit to add: Seriously, the only way to debunk the genetic explanation would be to find another explanation that works, and no such explanation has been found.
     
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    Thank you for establishing that you never read and/or comprehended the Brookings article.

    That completely and utterly DEBUNKS the racist bovine excrement about blacks having lower IQ's.
     
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    Bravo! :applause:
     
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    If true, that would make Christianity or the religion of those who worship the Prince of Peace into the religion of the Prince of Pieces.
     
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    GREAT reply.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :)
     
  9. xwsmithx

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    As I suspected, you misunderstood it. Just because we haven't identified the genes responsible for intelligence doesn't make the difference between people not genetic. And the differences between mixed race and black children adopted by white parents and those raised by black parents are measurable during childhood but essentially disappear by age 18. By age 18, adopted children's IQ's average no more than five points different from their biological parents' IQ, and have zero correlation with their adoptive parents' IQ. From an actual study:

    "As we have already noted, the presence of genetic influences on intelligence is well established. These influences increase from <50% of variance in childhood to ∼70% in adulthood.26–28 The variance accounted for by shared environmental influences on intelligence declines from early childhood to a near-to-zero contribution in adulthood."

    https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/39/5/1362/802787

    Got that? Near to ZERO variance accounted for by environment. 70% genetic, 30% unknown (probably related to motivation), 0% environmental.
     
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    Liberals use political correctness as de facto censorship to silence any and all debate that does not fit the liberal narrative, regardless of its truthfulness.

    and Oh Yeah

    Islam is the religion of peace. If Muslims don't like your jokes your head will be one "piece" and your body will be another "piece".
     
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    I joke about all religions, even my own...

    Christians believe snakes can talk

    That's ludicrous!!!!

    Snakes can't talk

    A snake makes the waves

    Jormungand the Midgard Serpent

    makes the waves in the ocean
     
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    It's funny how there are dozens of ex-Muslims and Western experts on Islam warning of the dangers of Islam to the West, but the only people downplaying it are active Muslims and white leftists who know nothing about Islam.
     
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    Why don't Baptists believe in premarital sex? Might lead to dancing.
     
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    I agree that radical orthodox islam is an anathema to contemporary western values. But then again so is radical orthodox Judaism and virutally every other radical religious orthodoxy, including Christianity.

    Funny how selective we humans can be depending on our personal perspectives.
     
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    So, you’re into opinions and not facts.
     
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    I feel the same about my religion, I think religious people that think their religious texts are 110% accurate are much much more liekly to be violent religious fanatics than those that realize not every thing in their religious texts are 100% true and are ok with that
     
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    In my opinion religion per se is not the real problem, it is the dismissal of proven fact in order to uphold belief in a God...any of them. By doing so it becomes quite simple to disbelieve many other things which can easily lead to bad outcomes.....we see these often. It also allows for and even promotes hatred and anger in the minds of devout followers, often because someone said to do so in a book.
    Both Christianity and Islam are full of examples of this even in current societies.
     
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    conservative use political incorrectness to divide and censorship anyone that disagree with them

    maybe we should just call it "Trumpism" goign forward

    *Edit
    oh geesh, I thought I was in a different thread, how did we get on liberals and conservatives and political correctness?
     
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    gibberish.
     
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    Same with Christianity and Judaism....Let’s pick and choose from the Bible and ignore the violence that it encourages
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thing is....Islam seems to be doing today what Christianity did hundreds of years ago. Now Christians try legal means to eliminate their enemies (anyone not Christian or female) but they cannot seem to figure out who actually is a Christian whereas Muslims are ashamed to admit their terror givers are actually doing what the prophet requests..
     
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    All you need to know about religion is all religions are human constructs, except Norse Paganism-which is the one true path

    If Norse Paganism is not the one true path then why are Norwegians so much better looking than everyone else-to make up for our disgusting food???

    I don't think so.
     
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    WRONG AGAIN!

    You cherry picked that OUT OF CONTEXT!

    That study was examining the FLAWED ASSUMPTIONS that racists make when disingenuously making bovine excrement allegations about IQ levels.

    This is what that same study said right after your cherry picked BS.

    The mere FACT that EDUCATION and ENVIRONMENT can significantly ALTER the results of IQ tests within the span of a child's schooling establishes that IQ tests are being ABUSED by racists for their nefarious AGENDA.

    MORE education means higher IQ scores irrespective of race!
     
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    Again, that section referred to children's IQ's, not adults. The section I referred to correctly noted that the environmental differences disappear by the time the person is an adult.

    Honestly, I don't know why leftists are offended by the idea that Africans and Middle Easterners are f'ing idiots. I have met many of them, and they really are. So are inner city blacks, rural blacks, rural rednecks, and most of the Hispanics. As the 1998 article correctly noted, the problem isn't education, poverty, or any of the other excuses offered up by the left. What it refused to acknowledge is that the problem is genetic. The only other option is some biological explanation not connected to genetics (lead has been suggested as at least part of the problem during the high crime 90s, but fails to explain the IQ gap persisting over 100 years), but so far no one has identified any such explanation, and certainly not one that would account for low IQ's in as far flung areas as Appalachia, Detroit, Malawi (average IQ=69), Yemen, and Australia (average Aborigine IQ=64). In the US, one study of the top 3/4 of the population, excluding any and all poor people, showed that even among siblings, a high IQ would ensure success and a low IQ would ensure failure. These were kids raised in the same household, going to the same schools, having the same parents, but having different genetic IQ's, and having radically different life outcomes based solely on their IQ's. Completely controlling for the environment did not eliminate the IQ differences. On the other hand, controlling for IQ's completely eliminates any correlation with socioeconomic status. The environmental effects of having wealthy parents disappears when you control for IQ. Years ago, a study unrelated to IQ made an interesting discovery, and that was that people who didn't go to college but could have earned as much as those who did go to college. They were primarily in occupations that didn't require a college degree or had started their own businesses. A similar study found that those who qualified for an Ivy League institution but instead went to a state or local college earned as much as those who had gone to an Ivy League college. Without even mentioning IQ, these two studies showed that it was the person that made the difference in income, not the education.


    So what happens when someone with a high IQ is born into a life of crushing poverty? According to the left, he'll never amount to anything. According to me and the geneticists, he'll make something of his life.

    "Rene Godefroy is a Haitian American Motivational Keynote Speaker


    Rene Godefroy has a passion for empowering others to excel and succeed. His personal story of struggle, grit and perseverance epitomize triumph and the American dream.

    Born in a tiny, isolated village on the island of Haiti, Rene was an impoverished child tormented by extended illness. Abandoned by his father and left behind while his mother sought work in the city, he survived primarily on breadfruit and the occasional rare fish he caught with a string and hook.

    Unable to speak English, Rene arrived in America with just five dollars, two shirts and one pair of pants housed in a tattered briefcase. Where many would see nothing but overwhelming odds stacked against them, he saw an abundance of opportunity and a chance to pursue the American dream."

    https://www.villagehero.com/
     
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    Racist anecdotal pablum duly noted FTR!

    There is NO GENETIC EVIDENCE that links IQ with skin pigmentation.

    Baseless BIGOTRY against blacks by LOW IQ whites only reflects their own insecurities and lack of self esteem.

    There is NO SCIENTIFIC data to support this racist bigotry.
     
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