At rally, Parkland shooting survivors rail against gun laws, NRA and Trump

Metal detectors and armed guards in all schools, just like in courthouses, state and federal buildings, sporting events, etc.

 

Start with 3.
Shoot them.

If they wish to live by civil war rules, give them civil war.

2 take guns away from everyone not just criminals and looneys.

1 I agree. You can't stop it. You can however greatly limit the scale of it.
The amount of lethal kill power such a person has access to.

 

In this shooting, he didn't go in. He set off the fire alarm and waited for them to come out.
Plus whats to stop him shooting his way in etc,

What you actually do by placing all these defences in school is teach children to be afraid and other children how to cause fear.
You are reinforcing in them the example that they are mimicing.
If you want to be a bad ass and the thing that school hates most, be a school shooter.
The more focus you place on keeping schools safe from school shootings, the more aware of school shootings as a medium of rebellion children will become.

Just disarm. Just because you personally think you can be trusted with lethal weapons doesn't mean everyone else can.
Take a bullet for the team. Give up your favourite toy.
I've done it, so I know you can do it.

 

I agree with them whole heartedly that this shouldn't have happened. The killer should have never had a gun.

I don't see the need to be angry about someone placing them in their thoughts and prayers but you know you do you.

I'm not really sure what can be done about this. As far as gun control with regard to exactly what you proposed I'm willing to discuss it.

 

How would me giving up my weapon stop this?

 

The cost would be astronomical and lot of schools cant even afford to repair and/or update their existing infrastructure, let alone undertake something like this.

You'd have to construct checkpoints and then staff each with need multiple people who were there 100% of the time.

The staff would have to be law enforcement or overseen by at least one LEO per checkpoint.

They'd have to be trained and paid well enough to do and take the job seriously - wouldn't want a slacker going through peoples bags and putting their hands on students when the need presented itself.

Every campus I've ever been on was wide open so I imagine mass construction would be necessary for a lot of schools in order to establish a defensible perimeter.

Effective detection requires the same sort of process that an airport check involves - searching bags, removing metal from your person, taking shoes off.

Lots of other practical reasons come to mind.

 

VC doesn't want to discuss gun control, he just wants to post anything that bashes on Trump/Republicans/NRA/White males/guns/etc.

 

Because
A) your personal ability to do this would be much reduced.
B) your friends and family members without access to your guns, personal abilities would be much reduced.
C) A criminals ability to steal your gun and do this would be eliminated entirely.
D) Other people would not be allowed such guns if everyone is not allowed such guns.

By banning everyone we guarantee to take the guns out of nutjobs hands as opposed to my just having to take your word for it that you are not now nor will ever become a nutjob. And that, nor will anyone who can possibly take hold of your gun.

 

Well should that be the case he would have thrown out rational argument for partisan nonsense. If discussion can't happen I don't think it should be me that causes it not to happen.

 

And does it so poorly.

Until the nation starts looking at all the influences that appear to be common among these shooters, little progress will be made.

Someone so full of hate, fear, and anger, that they would go out to kill as many as possible, will find some other means to do so. The impact of a self centered youth culture, social media, internet shaming, etc., will continue to trigger people like Cruz, and until that is looked at, the gun excuse will continue to allow the elephant in the room to rampage.

 

this would not be something that me or my family members would do.

but my ability to defend myself with lethal Force would be eliminated entirely. That doesn't sound like a good trade-off to me.

there is a subset of people that enjoy doing things for the sole purpose that they are not allowed to. Giving up my ability to defend myself easily with lethal Force isn't a good trade-off here either.

so in our country there are 300 to 500 million guns making a law would cause them to evaporate? How do you guarantee they don't just get one of those or that they don't already have one after the ban.

I don't think you can make that guarantee I don't believe you.

because I would be unable to defending myself with one again not a good trade-off.

 

Yes, well, all gun owners say neither they nor anyone they know would commit a school massacre.
Guess what. Some of them are wrong.


If no one else has a gun you don't need a gun to defend yourself against anyone.
Consider a cricket bat. That should do very nicely.

Why do you wish to use lethal force to defend yourself? Reasonable force is preferred.



There is a subset of people who like doing things because they are illegal. So lets make it hard for them.
Remove their access to guns.

Out of 300 million people most are law abiding.
If you outlaw most of their guns they will surrender them.
That just leaves the hardened criminals, those who shouldn't be allowed guns anyway. And for this you have a police force and an army.

I can't make you a 100% guarantee that no single person or even group of people will be disarmed.
Buy hey 99.9% is an improvement worth shooting for.
Just because I can't do everything, doesn't mean I should do nothing at all.
So there is no need to take extreme positions.

Now, once guns are out of general circulation, identifying illegal gun owners becomes much easier. It won't take as long as you think.

Alternatively ban the sale of ammo. You'll get the same result over time.
(In my country ammo sales is an equal part of gun control, in Russia it is the primary part of gun control).

 

That's an effective plan if your goal is to disarm the law abiding public, but does nothing about the firearms in the hands of criminals. Your going after the wrong crowd.

 

And yet, the bug-eyed emotional hoop-la is sometimes what carries the day! Remember the "assault weapons" ban of 1994? Biggest bunch of idiotic, unconstitutional crap we've been saddled with in a long time -- which fortunately 'went away' in 2004.

So what's the "answer"...?

Instead of any more ineffective, panic-driven 'gun-ban' initiatives in a country that already has tens of millions of weapons of all kinds everywhere, we need to start focusing, tightly, on the creatures who commit these crimes -- OR ARE LIKELY TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES. Here, plain and bold, is the underpinning for PREVENTION!

That's a very important step, and admittedly, it does cross a very important line in our laws and our culture. But, that is how we should (MUST) start -- especially when it involves a dangerous man like Nikolas Cruz who ADVERTISES his criminal intentions!

In the same way that, many years ago, we made it a crime to threaten the life of the President of the United States, we should make it a crime for anyone to make any threats, verbal or written, involving harm or death to anyone. I know, I know -- having a law like that would tread on 1st Amendment rights for Free Speech, but if we had had a law like that already in place, the police could have arrested Nikolas Cruz based on his 'social-media' rants and thrown his toxic ass in jail.

This raises the specter of 'Americans reporting other Americans' to the police -- and all kinds of "Nazi-esque" fantasies can evolve from such musings -- some of which may be very real. But, again, what are the choices? To re-phrase an old saying in gun-owners' circles, "When 'assault weapons' are outlawed, only outlaws will have 'assault weapons'...."

Afterthought: In 2013, Joe Biden suggested that a person might want to defend himself with a standard shotgun. Thus, at a range of, say, thirty yards, such a weapon would do little but spray an assailant with pellets. But if the assailant were armed with an "assault weapon", the guy with the shotgun would soon be wearing a bullet... or two, or three.... How does that make any sense?

 

Of course, address anything but the real problem

 

Correct. And the real problems are toxic, dangerous creatures like Nikolas Cruz, not the tools they use (guns). We need to discover these monsters, isolate them, and REMOVE them from society -- before they can commit murder.

 

Don't shoot the messenger. Just letting you know most Americans disagree with you, including these survivors.

 

Yep pretty much..but hey my "thoughts and prayers" to the next victims and their families I am sure they will appreciate them dont you think?

Also...dont you guys know now is not the time to talk about guns(yet again like always)

 

And what is the real problem?

 

The guy who shot up the school was a law abiding member of the public too. And then he wasn't.

 

The corporate state aristocracy doesn't give a phuck about what we the people want, they've shown this again, and again, and again; voting is meaningless without bodies in the streets and a perturbation of the system.

 

It's all very sad. Unfortunately, these kids support recinding liberties, so they have lost my pity.

Same would be true if any Islamic terror survivors supported FDR style internment.

 

"School shooting survivors don't deserve pity because making it harder to buy guns is the same as imprisoning an entire ethnicity" is the most baffling and garbage right wing take I've seen all week.

 

It is my understanding that Parkland is a Liberal community. Therefore they are making decisions without all the facts. If Obama's FBI had done the job they were supposed to do, their kids would, probably, still be alive. Why blame Trump?

If they had followed NRA and Conservative thinking on protecting schools, their kids would, probably, still be alive. Why blame the NRA?

 

so take them away from all the criminals first and I'll gladly give you mine. That's all you got to do and I will voluntarily surrender them no need for compensation.