Atheist vs Theist

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  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    Professing and testifying of God is not the creating of God, anymore than lifting a standard from conscience into law, makes conscience a creation of man, or the law an act of vain presumption. In fact, the opposite is true. God made man and gave us the light of conscience and the ability to love to direct us in life.

    Neither God nor our higher nature are tangible or provable by science. Granted that love and the light of conscience are common to man, while the testimonies of God are rare and not so apparent. But one would think that the rare would be of greater value, rather than something offensive, to be discarded.

    Regardless our standards born of conscience and lifted into law, such as those against murder, rape, and theft...there are those people (murderers, rapists and thieves) who deem the law a self righteous fabrication. But does that diminish what is good and true? If you argue it down, there is no provable base to our values. We just know that they are good, and that if the brutes don't respect and abide by it, then they can go to prison or die. When we try and judge the violator, we look as well to their contrition and acknowledgement of wrongdoing, to mitigate punishment. So is it really so odd that, for instance, the God of Christianity might prod us to repentance and to abide his laws of good conduct? Mankind is not so far from God when we practice it in part already. He is at the door, so to speak.
     
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    As someone who has lived with many people in many places with a. Multitude of cultures, including with an indigenous people in the Amazon, I agree the differencesI observed and experienced were. Still are wonderful. Where I have Issues are those that seek to impose uniformity among others.
    BTW, No matter which culture I have been my experience has been some of my best teachers were children, and I learned the most when I adopted the the perspective of being a child.
    So regarding spiritual beliefs, what did you believe as a child and why?
     
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    as a child.......I learned that there were many belief systems and variations of. I also lean rd that to align oneself exclusively with one or another would be to restrict ones horizons and thinking. and diminish one's understanding of how others lie, believe and think. Different cultures and beliefs fascinate me from a personal and academic perceptive. Thee key humane "principle that is relevant is "do no harm'.............. as everything branches out from there.
    )Also.........Don't stop being inquisitive......... ie question things and beliefs..........)

    "Religions " (beliefs) seems to require "group think"........... and as you stated..........uniformity. To me that opposes the very essence of the individuality and human being Again....that is restrictive..........as we as humans have the capacity to evolve into a higher level of being,essence conceptualization and consciousnesses.
     
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    Didn't think about it.

    I rejected religion at 17, in a church. Which was the first time I thought about it.
     
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    of course you didn’t think about it, you hadn’t been indoctrinated yet.
     
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    Hmmm… there you go, an Idea for a book. A prequel to the Matrix?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another possible implication of all this is that our Creator is first and foremost a Scientist and Inventor who happens to be composed of
    something like Energy from Quantum Vacuum..........
    and.....
    our Creator values information and science greatly......
    and may have allowed a former Covering Cherub Halel / Lucifer to conduct a psychological experiment that may resemble the Stanley Milgram Ph. D. experiment in many ways?????

    Evil........ may actually be SCIENCE gone very, very dark and negative......
    and EGO driven??????


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-and-the-media.331262/page-3#post-1072106575



    When I read the first chapter of Job I am reminded of the Milgram research??????

    There is even a rumour out there that the Book of Job could be even older than the Book of Genesis that was given to Moses while he was up on the mountain fasting for forty days.
     
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