Atheist vs Theist

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Throughout all of human history as we have been better able to accurately document events and explain events your gods appearances disappear. That fact is the is no documented and recorded visit by your god or anyone else's god to our planet. When was the last time he made an appearance and what is the documentation of it?
     
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    Repeating your straw men does not make them valid. Nor do personal, ad hom deflections.

    My argument is clear in the 'morality' heading:
    Universal morality, felt by everyone, acted upon instinctively, and codified into social law. This is evidence for God.

    You imply this with your 'atheists are moral, too!', argument.

    I am NOT saying atheists are not moral. That is your straw man. I am saying the opposite. They are, and that is evidence for universal morality, which is evidence for God.

    You have to read the opposing post, not just go off on talking points & canned rants that do not apply.
     
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    There was no strawman nor ad hom. I asked several salient questions about your stated position. You seem to be claiming that morality is proof gods exist. Well that is belied by the fact that people who do not subscribe to a belief in supernatural beings liking over us are just as moral and ethical as you. If you find that to be an ad him and personal attack on you I can't help you.
    You then try to make the case that because even atheist have moral beliefs that is evidence of a god. Well that is utter nonsense. If everything is evidence of something nothing is evidence of something.
    So I take it you could not come up with any moral beliefs you hold that I as an atheist do not.
     
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    ..never mind.

    Reasoning does not seem to be the goal, here, so I'll bow out. Thanks anyway.
     
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    This if hardly evidence for any God, especially since some Gods, are not moral, by our standards.

    Now, is he stepped out of a cloud bank, during half time, at the super bowel.
    That is evidence for God.
     
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    Universal morality fits better in thr 'God' model, than the 'no God' one.

    Why would human beings, from all over the globe, throughout history, share a common sense of natural law?

    If you posit 'Goddidit!', it fits. If you say 'nuthindidit!', why is this universal morality there?

    Combine that with all the other factors, and atheism becomes just another indoctrinated religious belief.

     
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    No, atheism is a term that would not even exist, if people didn't invent Gods.
    There is no indoctrination,
    There are no beliefs.
    They simply don't believe you, when you speak of a magic man in the clouds.
     
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    That's more like it!

    Who needs a dumb rational debate, anyway? Christians vs Atheists flame wars, THAT is what everyone wants! ..not the boring blatherings from philosophers! ;)

    :rock_slayer:
     
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    As our scientific knowledge base grows the space left for the "god of the gaps" shrinks.

    The GROWTH of scientific knowledge is happening on a DAILY BASIS all around the world.

    Since there is ZERO growth when it comes to imaginary theist deities they are now on a path heading towards becoming an endangered species.

    Worth noting that something on the order of 99.9% of all deities have already gone EXTINCT.

    Being incapable of ADAPTING to the CHANGING COGNITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS that new scientific knowledge is bringing about it is little wonder that the only remaining deity is following the same extinction path as all of the preceding deities.
     
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    It is a perfectly reasonable question to ask.

    What morals do you believe that as a Christian you hold that I as an atheist do not share? How about a reasonable answer?
     
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    Because it is of great benefit in a civil society and it is not so common as we have some very different beliefs than say Iran or NK or Nazi Germany.
     
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    I have given you rational and logical and reasoned and civil debate and you run away from it.
     
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    I have to strongly disagree.
    Some religions are good, some are pure evil.
    What will send you to heaven in one, can send you to hell in another.

    There is no "Universal morality" in religion.
     
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    There is a universal "morality". It is social behavior that allows/enables the species to prosper. Immoral or amoral behavior hinders or prevents the species from prospering.

    Gods help humans to prosper by increasing social bonding, policing aberrant behavior and codifying mores. That is why we still have gods. It is built in.
     
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    some Gods do, others are pure evil.
     
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    Then the humans following it do not "prosper" and eventually their line dies. Evolution continue....
     
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    Humans have been around for a long time, some prospered some didn't.
    That hardly an evaluation.

    Islam prospers from the robbing of others, and it will take a nuclear war to stop it.
     
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    Weird. All Moslims need nuked?
     
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    Muslims are the by product.

    Islam is the problem
     
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    I think I'll jump in here. So I'm the defense attorney in a murder case and instead of of claiming my client didn't do it, I want to show that the murder victim doesn't exist. This would actually kind of a false equivalence if there was a body and relatives of the victim, but's that's not what theism offers, does it? A closer analogy is if the prosecution DIDN'T have a body and no one remembers ever seeing the victim. Then it would be totally on the prosecution to prove not only that this person existed, but that a murder even took place. If the prosecution had the same amount of evidence that the theists have for the existence of God, it would never even have gone to court.

    Also, have you ever heard of Russel's teapot? Look it up, it is an interesting view on disproving the unprovable.
     
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