Atheists soon a majority?

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  1. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    How does a religion without a God or deity work exactly?

    For me the very first human utterings of gods or deities were sky kings and sky queens with ultimate power over reality. I really don't need a lot of evidence to deny something so preposterous.

    I know others don't want to hear all that as it might sound offensive but that nonetheless is my stance.
     
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    the protocols and obligations of every culture known to man forms around their religion in what ever form that may take, and that form is literally endless.
     
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    I think ANTI theism will rise as well with people OPPOSED to religion. People that are against religion and other cults finally have the freedom to have their voices heard. The idea that religion is harmful and actually does more damage than good.
    I also imagine there are many Muslims in the middle east that are really atheists but just have to put up with it for now like so many Christians had to hundreds of years ago.
     
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    Then most of you would never start a thread like this one.
     
  5. Mamasaid

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    Which indicates the trend that atheists may soon be a majority .
     
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    And 90% are spiritual. mamasaid wrong.
     
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    "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."
    – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
     
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    Spiritual does not mean theist. As the 60% number shows. Now compare that to the last generation, and the generation before that.

    The pattern you will notice is what can be referred to as a "trend".
     
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    Spiritual means a connection between the individual and the supernatural, while religion is talking about an organized entity.

    The uninitiated often make similar errors.
     
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    ...which still would not necessarily mean theism.
     
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    Spiritual means a connection between the individual and the supernatural, while religion is talking about an organized entity.

    Of course it does. You get to decide what is 'theism' and not. So . . . give us some links and let's see some arguing, please.
     
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    the·ism
    /ˈTHēˌizəm/

    noun
    • 1.belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures:"there are many different forms of theism"
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    I would drop the "especially" for it obviously talking about the Abrahamic languages only.
     
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    agree, government should neither Push their "is a God", nor there "is No God"

    we do not need a nanny government telling us what to believe... that is why we escaped to America to begin with, to escape a Theocracy

    it's really sad some want to turn American into a theocracy
     
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    we did not escape to America to escape religious values, though

    or secular values or ethics

    we escaped to avoid organized religion or organized theism
     
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    Sorry, I disagree. I do not think "spiritual" necessitates "theistic".
     
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    And to have a government built on secular values and ethics.
     
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    Believe as you will, but that belief is out of step with the definition of spiritual, which is linked to theism and religion.
     
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    . . . and religious values.
     
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    And still, "linked to" does not mean that spirituality necessitates theism.
     
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    Wrong. Unless you mean slavery and subjugation of women. Okay, I relent, you got me there. But the good parts were built on classical liberalism and scientific enlightenment, both quite secular ideas.
     
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    Not necessarily. One could have a connection between self and nature, and find that as a spiritual experience. If one wants to envision a consciousness of nature, Earth, or the universe that may be supernatural, but not necessarily in the same concept as a god. God comes with a personification that many are distancing themselves from.
     
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    I think it is a mistake to chop everything of human experience to religion.
     
  23. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    Militant atheists make the mistake of thinking they can convert religious people to secularism, it won't work and it has been tried only to end up in failure.

    We atheists have been a global minority since time immemorial and the reason is because mentally not everybody can comprehend atheism.

    As long as they respect us in allowing us to retain our atheism we should give them the common courtesy in allowing them to practice their religious beliefs. We should look for common mutual understanding between us not hostility or conflict.

    As much as I don't like Christianity or any Abrahamic faith for that matter atheism has flourished in western civilization because of Christianity's generosity and so I support Christians only in so much as I don't want to see western civilization fall prey to the religious radicalization of Islam.

    Can you imagine what it would be like being an atheist in a Muslim nation? I shutter the thought.
     
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    Of course it works, sometimes. And it's not necessarily about direct conversion of theists, but also about generational change.
     
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    If it happens on its own it will happen, if it doesn't it simply does not.

    We should have no influential agenda in that but instead embrace a more neutral approach. Live and let be.....
     
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