Authoritarianism

Fictional TV shows and movies about evil conservatives? Whoa! Stop the presses.

Conservatives put people in prison who commit crimes. If you find that peculiar, maybe your values are peculiar.

People should be free to select their own insurance company, coverage, and doctor.

 

I just picked random sites. It is kind of a universal truth, that Authoritarian parents tend to produce conservative children who grow up to be authoritarian parents, while lenient parents tend to produce liberal children who grow up to be lenient parents.

I first became aware of this in the eighties, when televangelism was becoming a thing. Back then conservative Christans were complaining that liberals were too lenient and that children of liberals were all going to grow up to be criminals. That was about the time I happened on a couple of articles that revealed that atheists are highly underrepresented in prisons.

 

It's simpler than that, and not really partisan IMO. Some parents tend to dictate to their children, using the old "Because I said so!" and "Just do as you're told!" Those children have a hard time learning to think for themselves.

My father was a tyrant, but fortunately for my brothers and me, our mother would always explain why she was telling us "No." The benefit to that type of child rearing is that we grew up learning how to consider the consequences of our actions and words, and after a certain point, we knew before asking what our mother's response was likely to be, and soon asked a lot fewer silly questions.

The other benefit was that we were encouraged to come up with logical reasons for why we should be allowed to do a thing, which also forces a child to think things through.

I don't think these different styles of parenting are indicative of any political ideology.

 

Huh?

Michael Keaton was a fictional character.

Once again no child was born conservative.

 

You know, the opposite of a statist is a corporatist. One has far more rights under the state than under a corporation, as corporations tend to be dictatorships. But then that is to be expected as every politician who called himself a Libertarian, once elected ruled as a hard right conservative. And, of course right wingers are those who think the wealthy should rule.

I highly doubt a real liberal would take the writings of Ludwig von Mises all that seriously.

Mostly, strong liberals are those who reject religion and tradition, and advocate for continual improvement of the human condition. Which is why all the great innovators have been quite liberal leaning.

 

But then I don't follow conspiracy theories.

 

But you confuse Leftist with liberal, which will never make you a liberal.

 

Kind of a universal truth? So THAT is your proof? Seriously? You were braying about scientific proof and when its all said and done your defense of that claim is that "it is kind of a universal truth"?

Translation.... "I dont actually have scientific proof as I claimed, but several liberal sociologists in academia have been pushing that notion in pseudo scientific papers, and since I liked their conclusion, I have adopted it as a "universal truth".

 

I that actually think genetics has more to do with it. As early as age five or so, I thought most people were a little off. This just so happens to be the age that certain liberal traits begin to emerge, the questioning of the world around them, thinking of possible reforms.

At about age eight or nine is the time bright strong liberal boys begin to show obvious signs of higher intelligence. This is about the age they gave me a test that put me in the class for the kids that read too fast and always get their math problems right.

At age 18, most people have the political leanings they will hold all their life. It is common for conservatives to claim they were once liberal but found a better way with conservatism. It sounds just like the preachers who claim to have found god and it made them all better. Conservatives like to claim that one becomes more conservstive as one ages, but the data does not show that. With baby boomers, there is roughly the same percentage of liberals and conservaties now as there were 40 years ago.

 

You do this everytime, obviously I have hit a nerve. If it was reversed, I would be looking up data to prove otherwise. But you can't.

 

. Whatever.

 

Self serving pablum for the weak mind you want more government programs and policies you are by definition an authoritarian.

 

So I catch you with your hand in the cookie jar about claiming scientific proof, you try passing off a couple of nonsensical pseudoscientific articles, you get called out on that, then you finally retort with "its a universal truth"; and this in your mind constitutes you hitting a nerve?

LOL.......cmon man. I am not looking up data because I have not claimed any data, because I am intelligent enough to realize that pseudoscientific articles do not produce scientific data.You on the other hand, have claimed scientific data. You have failed to deliver. This makes me giggle. For you to think this somehow "hit a nerve" is downright hilarious. If you have hit a nerve, it is the one responsible for smiling.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

 

At least your brother was only spanked and your parents didn't try to put him in a dress and give him a sex change (something more and more LIBERALS are trying to do to their kids). You wanna babble on about authoritarian? Choosing your kid's gender is the very definition of AUTHORITARIAN.

 

Pretend all you want. I grew up with conservatives. Your response is quite common. It is more of an emotional response than an intellectual response.

All you have been able to do is tell me I'm wrong and express your desire to ignore science. Of course you will keep coming back, because apparently you think that makes you win. But I'm just going to ignore you.

Now if you could produce countervailing evidence, that would be a different story.

 

Pretend what? I asked for your scientific proof. I am still waiting.

Your provided a link that said....

"There’s a nugget of anecdotal truth behind these simplifications. Anyone who grew up in the South can attest to the child-rearing style there. And anyone who grew up in the Northeast or California can attest to the PC, anything-goes mores you’d find in your standard top-shelf Montessori school. (The major flaw with this sort of thinking, of course, is that it reflects not just a liberal view, a high-income liberal outlook; I’d guess that parenting is probably more of a function of income than politics.)"

Ironically, your link touched upon MY notion that it is likely socioeconomic in nature. You on the other hand, only read the misleading headline that seems to tell you what you wanted to hear. The primary difference between your and my position is that I acknowledge the information is not scientifically proven and is therefore an opinion worth debating. You on the other hand pretend that you have science on your side. You do not. Your argument is mostly just empty bloviation... again.

 

Utter nonsense to escape the hand of a corporation I only have to change jobs but to escape the clutches of a statist I have to change countries

 

Liberal parents tend to have kids up ithat grow up in homes racked by multiple divorces, barely know where they are going to wake up at every day end up in trouble with the law, pregnant out of wedlock and often feel unloved and unwanted and turn to drugs for compensation.

No one ever accomplishes much in life without some level of self discipline and no one is born with it so until you learn self discipline mom and dad are the stand ins.

 

You know this has more to do with your ideology than reality.

My children grew up in a liberal household with a very liberal father. They don't fit your description in the least.

In fact, I think that the reason so many conservatives threaten violence is because conservative/authoritarian parenting is violent and threatening. It is what many grew up with.

 

Its been the left who collectively seems ok with force because they feel their morale superiority allows it. After trump won we had weeks of lefties rioting and destroying property for no reason other than they didnt get their way.

 

How horrible liberals must be wanting people to have health care.
Restated: How horrible liberals want to confiscate the wealth of middle class Americans to pay for the health care of those that don't work. You may not realize that the middle class is holding on by a thread even with both spouses working. It is a rather big ask to not only pay for their own health care but also for the health care of those that aren't as productive as yourself. This is not a black or white issue, there is a ton of nuance.

Conservative states put people in prison at a rate that is twice that of liberal states
Not a particularly deep analysis. I noticed a much stronger correlation between homicide rate and incarceration rate. Once again a little bit of nuance goes a long way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...carceration_and_correctional_supervision_rate

 

Actually no it has to do with documented research at FRC. The articles you listed were little more than confirmation bias on steroids. by the way your experience does not mirror the experience of every leftist family.

 

Liberals are quite often lumped in with the left but they are not the same. Liberals tend to be patriotic, the left isn't. The left is very authoritarian based on what they want to do to rights enshrined in the constitution.

 

We are likely to have problems with any kid who grows up without some kind of stable foundation and confidence in themselves. Conservatives are not all great parents, and neither are liberals- and while the reasons why might differ, the results are pretty much the same- dysfunctional. There's also a situation that many ignore. The world is not a blended mix, it varies where every you go. If you grow up in a catholic community for example, everybody is basically on the same page, give or take. That gives a child known parameters, which does indeed translate to a feeling of security and some confidence that you can handle things. When that child grows up and moves to a mixed community, they find themselves in a totally different situation, and that destroys confidence.

Kids need a solid base, but also the knowledge that the world is full of variables and they need to know how to keep their heads when those around them are not. Nobody can give kids what they don't have- so you have taught your kids how to be liberal but not how to live in a world with conservatives. Conservatives may be doing the opposite. I have remained conservative, because I know from life experience that it works- not just in what I see at the moment, but that my values will work tomorrow, next year, in other nations- anywhere, anytime. They are both rigid in basic definition, but flexible to adapt to situations as needed without diluting them.

There should be basic values that everyone can agree on- and one of them if the freedom that America was founded on and for. The right to choose your own path, make your own decisions- and deal with the consequences or benefits of those decisions. What freedom and personal responsibility preclude is the right to control the decisions and freedom of other people without their express consent. This would seem to be the core conflict I have with the liberal ideology- their great ideas always depend on using or controlling others and the freedoms and wealth of others.

When a liberal can live as they choose without doing that, I won't have any conflicts with them.