Babies Feel Pain Before Birth

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  1. injest

    injest New Member

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    Babies do feel pain before nine months of gestation, there is no reason to believe that there is a fundamental difference in the brain of a baby that is born prematurely at 35 weeks as compared to a baby still in the womb at that stage. And if some babies can feel pain at 35, it stands to reason that other babies could possibly feel pain earlier..

    regardless, even the researchers call them babies, not zygotes and fetuses..:sun::mrgreen:

    http://news.yahoo.com/babies-feel-pain-birth-155808120.html

     
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    prometeus Banned

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    But what does this have to do with abortion?
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Ok. Exactly how many fetuses are being aborted at 35 weeks for non-medical reasons?
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I don't dispute the claims, but I don't see what this has to do with abortion?
     
  5. injest

    injest New Member

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    there have been people that say that babies can't feel pain in the womb, if a baby can feel pain at 35 weeks, another might feel pain even earlier, not everyone is the same. Also, as we develop better equipment and tests we seem to find earlier and earlier evidence of developments once believed to happen later.

    Also these are experts in the field and THEY refer to the babies as Babies, not as "zygotes" or "Fetuses" or any of the other Newspeak words Progressives use to try to dehumanize an infant.

    in addition, there isn't that much difference between the brain of a 35 week old baby that is still in the womb, as compared to a 35 week old baby that is born prematurely

    as science learns more and more about the development of babies, the more we find that what we imagine about human gestation isn't true.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I think that scientists and doctors are smart enough. They know that unborn babies feel pain in the late stages but so far, it is only pro lifers who claim they feel pain within the first few weeks of life.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    35 weeks IS later than the 27 weeks that evidence has claimed. NO ELECTIVE abortions are taking place at 35 weeks, NONE. So not to worry.
     
  8. injest

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    Really? I don't feel so confident as you that we are the pinnacle of human evolution and that 'smart enough' is the end of our possible advancement. There WILL continue to be advances, people will continue to learn new things, there is more to discover..more to learn.

    It is disturbing to me to see how often people on the Left accuse conservatives of being ignorant yet themselves call for the end of research, declaring that a 'consensus' has been reached when the research seems to verify their own views. There will never come a time when man's knowledge stands still, I am enough of a believer in evolution to know that. Like the movie says "Life finds a way". You might as well try to hold back the tides .


    there is no such thing as 'smart enough'.
     
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    I am not worried, we will continue to learn more and educate more and the time will come when people that advocate for unrestricted abortion will be seen as the rigid idealogues they are.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is humorous that one who advocates for choice could be seen as "rigid."
     
  11. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Look, even if research could prove that a fetus could feel pain in the first trimester, it wouldn't change my opinion on the subject.
    I would just want the fetus to be put to sleep before the procedure, so it wouldn't suffer.
     
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    Basically the death penalty for the heinous crime of being inconvenient!
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A zef doesn't have a life of its own, it only has the life it is borrowing from the pregnant woman. That life is a gift from her, not an obligation. LOL, I can't wait to see if the first man to carry a pregnancy and give birth will call it an "inconvenience."
     
  14. Allegiance

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    Basically,everything is made of cells must be an alive creature and so it's easy to conclude that the baby feels what goes on for sure.I didn't specifically mean to the baby,just wanted to make clear the baby has senses and feelings.therefore,an abortion is a type of a planned murder even though it is entirely lawful.I'm against those abortions but still think it may help when the pregnant woman feels she is unable to bring the kid up properly.In that case,an abortion must be taken into account in order to avoid suffering life a few years later.
    In conclusion,this debate can be discussed for a while but still wouldn't have a concrete answer to the query whether it is better to hold the baby inside despite being agonized or it is worse.
     
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    Yeah, I don't understand why lifers always describe 9 months of pregnancy and child birth as an 'inconvenience'. Shows what little respect they have for what women go through to bring life into this world.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True, I often wonder if they think a woman doesn't even notice that she's pregnant until the first labor pains. How else can they blow off the pains, aches, and multiple discomforts that pregnancy causes?
     
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    We all know that is BS. Your entire line of reasoning is based on false premises.

    So now it is a sexist thing to value human life? :roll:
     
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    Relative to being killed, that is an accurate relative decription.
     
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    Nobody said it wasn't hard for a woman to carry a baby to term, we only say that this fact does not excuse wanton homicide.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We'll see how much you value it when it's YOUR body being ripped apart. It's easy to value it when YOU'RE not being inconvenienced.
     
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    S0, even researchers can be mistaken.
     
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    Pretty hard to feel pain without a brain methinks
     
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    Are you saying that we have regressed and if so in what way, or you just do not know what "pinnacle" is?
     
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    A fetus has a brain, it just doesn't have the necessary components of the brain to feel pain or discomfort.
     
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    Not at the zygote stage it doesnt.

    In the early stages of pregnancy, when the brain is just starting to be built, one could say "There is a brain" .. and you can even measure electrical potential, but these are not brain waves.

    You can measure electrical potential in a collection of cells or even in a single cell.
     

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