Ban importing chritianity to developing countries

As I live and work in a developing country and work in development aid, I can tell you NGOs with a "Food for aid" idealology has never worked and will never work.

Their idealology isn't about helping people but it's more about spreading their religion. I can tell you horror stories how religious oganisations have come in and done more harm than good.

One classic example was when a religious organisation (some fundamentalist Christian sect) went in to build irrigation channels for a village rice field, on the proviso the people drop their animist beliefs and embrace Christianity. Now, the poor will grasp at anything to alliviate poverty and a kind of undrstanding was met. Over the following year, this village began to ignore Christianity and reverted back to their animist ways which has been engrained into their society for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

The NGO sent in bulldozers the following dry season and destroyed the irrigation channels, further adding to poverty. All members of this sect have long been deported.

 

Believe me, where I live and work, non-religious aid groups have done better and more work than religious groups.

The important thing is that non- religious NGOs don't push Atheism.

 

Yeah...well if its true (and I'm raising my eyebrows that a religous sect would spend funds to send in bull dozers to destroy something they built) then its an extremely rare event.

And Christians don't force Christianity for aid. Sorry. That doesn't happen. Is your hatred over-stepping reality a little?

 

oh come on - you can't be that naive!

this is still part of the christian agenda.

while I have only heard hearsay of cases as lizard describes, it is well known that aid is often tied to conversion, and the countries which receive most aid from christian charities are often those where there is already a strong element of the faith.

there is also considerable conflict and destabilisation of local culture as a result of conversions - some of which are forced.

 

I guess you don't get it. No one said the village people were strict adherents to church doctrine. It's the church that's making it impossible to get condoms.

 

Naw....I doubt it very much. Doesn't even make sense. Christians don't force belief.
And so what if a country with strong element faith of faith is more apt to accept Christian Charity? We are in fact supposed to support those within our family of Christ.

Christians also give aid in Islamic countries...as long as they don't mention a thing about Christ, the Bible etc. They just serve as a role-model to the Christian faith and that is all the preaching heard in those countries.

Stop knocking a good thing that helps so many people and start focusing helping.

 

Have you ever been to a developing country? What is you personal experience with development aid? Zero for both questions I imagine.

Religious organisations don't do the heavy lifting when it comes to development aid, that is mainly left up to government organisations and non-religious NGOs. As for hatred, nah!

I can give you more examples where religious organisatons have come to Laos and screwed the locals in the name of Christianity.

 

The event I mentioned has come up in conversation a few times between my wife (also a development aid worker in Laos) and I.

For four years my wife project managed an education project,, building schools and training teachers in remote Laos, mainly targeting the ethnic groups. People like Hmong, Akha, Khmu, Lanten and others.

Now, this village I mentioned was a Hmong village, one of the poorest ethnic groups in Laos. This village was ear marked for a school and young people to be selected to be trained as teachers at the district Teachers Training College.

My wife went up there (Luang Namtha province), along with members of the Lao Ministry of Education for a feasibility study. They arrived in mid July which is rice seedling planting time. Guess what? No rice had been planted in that village because the rice field was totally destroyed by a bulldozer. This further added to the village poverty as villagers had to "borrow" rice from neighbouring villages.

As the village elders were extremely sceptical, it took a lot of convincing from my wife and Ministry people that the project was honourable and would cost the village nothing

 

Yeah, and I can give you plenty of examples of being in rough places with nary a atheist around. When Mosul was falling apart, where were the atheists? Guess who was there?

I would be rather shocked to hear US Aid called an atheist organization BTW.

 

USAid is a non-religious organisation as is AusAid, GIZ and JICA.

 

US Aid is an instrument of the US government and our foreign policy. It embodies the spirit of the US constitution, one of which, is secularism - which is equality of faiths not the exclusion of faiths.

US Aid is not an atheist organization. It regularly partners with faith projects to advance development projects all over the world. I know - I've worked with them.

And teh very fact that they do NOT walk around talking about stupid religion is, because it is not an atheist organization, allows it to go into places that most organizations of teh US government cannot.

Indeed, the US government is NOT an atheist organization. Congress, with a Chaplain (that atheists tried to ban mind you), is NOT an atheist organization. The US Military is NOT an atheist organization.

You atheists are constantly asking us to remove religion from government, but who exactly is it that is attempting to take secular institutions and make them arms of their atheism?

Who is it that is violating secular principles?

 

Did I say USAid is an Atheist organisation?

 

Why not to ban developement per se? Would this not be more easy for all possible mass-murderers and destroyers of sane living-conditions on planet earth?

http://youtu.be/LSaCtISvoh0

 

Kongo? You know nothing about the Kongo, isn't it? Otherwise you would know that nearly everything is a problem there - for example that it was forbidden to use christian forenames - but the catholic church is a might that helps a lot. If someone likes ot have sex with someone - if he has Aids - then he should know that a kondom is not save - a kondom is only saver. This means: someone is able to infect someone else with Aids although he/she is using a kondom! That's a fact. It's better to use a kondom instead to use not a kondom in case someone likes to hurt the catholic sexual moral one or two times. But if someone thinks he can do sex as if he is not infected with HIV although he is infected then s/he's completly wrong. That's completly counterproductive.

The western world gives by the way nearly no money any longer to help the people in the Kongo who are infected with HIV/Aids - on reasons like wars with mass-rapes for example what also hurts the catholic sexual moral but the enemeis of the catholic church don't care about. Would be nice if you could convince such brutal male idiots to use kondoms ...

http://youtu.be/p47zwuOVXNQ

 

You are looking at things with a bias mind. Have you ever look at what the U.S government has done, via the CIA and the military in many Countries? So if you want to ban what you call the exportation of Christianity, then you should also call for the ban of the U.S government doing what its doing in other Countries as well.

 

You are clearly laying the claim of atheism in development aid to organizations like US Aid. YOUR charitable organizations that you are CLEARLY pestering a Christian about are governmental organizations.

And when called on it? Like all atheists, you aren't actually doing what you are doing.

Atheism is, once again, a total lack of accountability.

 

Your post is nothing but a rant and has no substance.

I can name half a dozen non-religious NGOs off the top of my head that are doing marvelous work in Laos alone.

CARE Australia
Plan Australia
Friends International
WWF

And two of my favourites who I've had working relationships with.
COPE and MAG

Look them up.

 

no people have the right to believe what they want the people who use condoms or the ones that mutate a resistance to aids may just have to inherit the earth

 

Som in the mean time we go along with a life expectancy here of 40.

We go along with a huge amount of babies born with HIV.

For those that wanted to know the name of the town it is called Mongbwalu.

 

got a link there?

 

and it doesn't look like you're gonna be putting one up either. it's easy enough to check up on. Seems this is less the responsibility and problem of christianity than it is of the life style and Gov't of the DRC. But it's always PC to attack christianity isn't it? not to mention easy. And with such great response for it from the usual pack of suspects here.

 

And those do the majority of development work in countries? Or are they ancillary? And these things cause you to do give a derisive snort to charitiable works that are religious based? And massive in many cases?

No brother, it was yours that was the rant. And when confronted with the same behavior that your shoved out, you squirm and excuse.

If you walk around snorting in derision at people, and people take a look at the reasong for this from the pedastle behavior and wind up snorting back ... poor, poor atheists.

 

A link to what? My eyes?

 

Really? Rampant Priests and Nuns bombing condom trucks? Attacking doc workers unloading freight? Exactly how is this being done? I gotta see the links for this!

 

Here are the links you were asking for..................