Bayer-Monsanto lose next Roundup Trial - the bad side of capitalism!

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Monsanto has so many revolving doors between its execs and regulatory agencies that it might as well be the govt.

    It is in point of fact the best example of how regulation doesnt work.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just off the top of my head-

    -Sueing farmers whose crops were contaminated by neighboring windblown seeds, then buying their land.

    -Manipulating regulatory agencies to ignore the dangers of their pesticides

    -Stealing and destroying independent research of the effects of their products on honey bees and getting away with it.

    -General anti-competition and product dependency practices
     
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    How do ?? The EPA has shown that Roundup is not a problem.
     
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    That’s absurd.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly.

    https://rense.com/general33/fd.htm

    "The "revolving door" - the interplay of personnel that assists the industrial alignment of public service and regulatory authorities - has led to key figures at both the US's FDA and EPA having held important positions at Monsanto, or else doing so shortly after their biotech related regulatory work for the government agency."

    The EPA is one of the most corrupt government agencies, being used primarily by corporations to outregulate their competition (you're familiar with regulatory capture, right?), and almost as much by corporations to cover up their dangerous products.

    Do not assume that because i think a corporation is evil I therefore must love the govt. I dont really see a difference between the two. They both seek to fleece the common man -the corporations by stealing his wealth and the govt by regulating his freedoms- and how better than by working in concert? Its a grand pincer attack, and they've got us taking their sides.
     
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    Really???

    The EPA banned DDT in 1972.

    Here's what they say about it:
    In 1972, EPA issued a cancellation order for DDT based on its adverse environmental effects, such as those to wildlife, as well as its potential human health risks. Since then, studies have continued, and a relationship between DDT exposure and reproductive effects in humans is suspected, based on studies in animals. In addition, some animals exposed to DDT in studies developed liver tumors. As a result, today, DDT is classified as a probable human carcinogen by U.S. and international authorities.

    https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/ddt-brief-history-and-status

    Sorry, but that hardly sounds like the EPA found DDT to be non-carcinogenic in 1972. In fact, it's just about the opposite.
     
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    Zac Bush on the buy-out:

     
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    Who is Rich Murray ?? Nice conspiracy theory though.
     
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    :applause:

    Great summary of the GREED OBSESSED Monsanto's destruction of our basic foods.
     
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    The banning of DDT by the EPA was a political decision responsible for ~ 30,000,000 deaths. The Bitman study on bird eggs was flawed because the experimenter combined low Calcium intake with DDT exposure. In a later study the same Bitman repeated the study with DDT exposure but with adequate Calcium and the egg shells were fine.

    In 1972 the EPA found that DDT was non carcinogenic for humans. Ruckleshaus banned based on animal studies which is exactly what your source says.
     
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    That’s funny.
     
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    wow, are republicans now anti-GMO's, welcome aboard.... I think GMO should have to be indicted on all GMO food

    how can you know if it's a problem or not, if you do not know your eating it... people have a right to know
     
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    The EPA is a US regulatory agency. It did not ban DDT worldwide. Where are those 30,000,000 dead Americans?
     
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    Who said anything about Americans ???
     
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    An American agency banned DDT for most, but not all, uses in the US only. How did that ban cause 30,000,000 deaths?

    So what are you talking about exactly?
     
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    30,000,000 deaths world wide. How could that have happened. Did all the developing countries have access to DDT ??? If so why didn’t they use it ??? Were there restrictions imposed by US aid conditions ???
     
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    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22245-silent-spring-didnt-condemn-millions-to-death/

    When, in 1972, the recently created US Environmental Protection Agency banned DDT for most domestic uses, this ruling had no force in other parts of the world, so the insecticide remained part of the international anti-malaria arsenal. The US continued to manufacture and export DDT until the mid-1980s, and it has always been available from pesticide makers in other countries.
     
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    Spouder ???
     
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    Speak in sentences, please.

    Edit: If you wish to question the author of the article, get his name right. It's Souder, not Spouder, and ask something. Just posting an incorrect name does nothing.
     
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    Nice sidestep from the issue...
     
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    An obvious typo. Who is Souder ??

    And here is how the EPA ban on DDT killed so many people.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1259
     
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    You have no issue. Only conspiracy theory.
     
  23. modernpaladin

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    Ah, the magic words. No less vacuous than screaming 'racist!'.
     
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    You might have a point except that, even with the re-introduction of DDT, nearly a million people are dying yearly due to malaria.

    Your whole theory of 30 million dying since the ban in the US in1972 because of the ban doesn't hold up when considering the figures from the WHO for 2009, which is 3 years after DDT was re-introduced for malaria control.

    Tale the WHO figures for 2009, extrapolate that out for 35 years and you still get 30 million deaths from malaria.

    http://www.mosquitoreviews.com/DDT-resistant-mosquitoes.html

    Malaria sickened 225 million people and caused 781,000 deaths in 2009, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
     
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    I don't think the Christian Coalition, which was then powerful in the Republican Party, would have allowed GMO. I'm not sure, but I believe the law allowing them was passed during the first two years of the Clinton administration when he had a Democratic Congress.
     
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