Bayer-Monsanto lose next Roundup Trial - the bad side of capitalism!

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  1. FreshAir

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    oh I agree, but I will still speak publicly on the desire to have it all labeled so the public is informed on what they are eating
     
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    The first GM food was the flavr savr tomato approved in 1994.

    Now you know how old we are?
     
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    That's a non-answer, but go with what you got, eh?
     
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    the more we produce the more the population grows too, catch 22

    we entered a era of low fat eating and that is gonna come back to bite us in bigger health care costs and a bigger population due to cheaper yet not as healthy of foods - we are already seeing the effects, as are countries around the world adopting the same approach

    now that the population is so large though, what do we do? governments know the truth, but they can't admit it.... as it would majorly disrupt the food supply, which means a a crashing economy
     
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    Had any corn lately ??? Bread ??? Fruit ???
     
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    It’s an accurate answer. You claim that since global Malaria deaths didn’t go to zero after the WHO approved it in 2006 that means that banning DDT in 1972 didn’t result in tens of millions of deaths is absurd.
     
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    Had any corn lately ???
     
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    Yeah. Grew it myself.

    Btw, gm foods are not as widespread as you think. Most people consume GMO food in processed foods, many of which contain soy, canola or corn, which are common GMO crops.

    What I personally watch out for is glyphosate in my food. It is commonly used as a dessicant at harvest time for grains and dry beans. That's why breakfast cereals and bread can have high levels of glyphosate even without GMO ingredients.

    I buy organics for these products.
     
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    Organic corn ???
     
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    You can grow anything organically.

    Actually, most commerically available sweet corn, while not organic, is not a GMO crop.
     
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    don't eat corn or bread, have had berries and sadly as not labeled, can not know if they were gmo or not, during summer I grow berries out back, so know they are not

    that is my point though, we need better labeling

    every genetic change can have an effect, may cause a immune response in our bodies, we just do not know what the future changes will bring, it's like when your software is updated, might bring some unintended consequences updating the dna of plants
     
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    Corn did not exist 7000 years ago. Where did it come from ??
     
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    Where did the modern varieties of strawberries come from ?? Why are there multiple varieties of strawberries ??
     
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    Wild strawberries have long existed in the Northern and Alpine parts of Europe. They are very flavorful but have a tiny size.
    The big strawberries did not come about until the Spanish discovered a bigger species of strawberry high up in the mountains of Peru. This was then hybridized with the wild strawberries native to Europe.
    Modern strawberries as we know them today did not really begin appearing until around the 1800s, maybe the very late 1700s in limited areas.
     
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    So strawberries as we know them have been genetically modified by humans.
     
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    which type, the gmo ones? which are those? we shoudl label them... ;)
     
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    They are all genetically modified. You've been eating them for years.
     
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    Do you actually know what a GMO is? Hint: it's not a hybrid.
     
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    I know exactly what it is. Do you know what a hybrid is ??
     
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    Yes I do.

    Do you know which variety of strawberry has been genetically modified?

    Perhaps you could tell this guy as you obviously have more knowledge than he does.

    According to Dr. Vance Whitaker, Assistant Professor of Strawberry Breeding and Genetics at the University of Florida, “There are no genetically modified strawberries on the market – not just in the U.S., but in the world.”
     
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    Strawberries have not been cross bred to produce different desirable characteristics ?? Who knew ??

    https://strawberryplants.org/how-a-new-variety-of-strawberry-plants-is-developed/
     
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    As stated earlier, hybridization is not genetic modification in the modern sense. In the modern sense, genetic modification is introducing genes from an unrelated species into a plan's genome. This could never happen in nature, whereas hybridization (cross-pollination) does occur, sometimes with man's help, sometimes without.
     
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    It is genetic modification by deliberate human intervention to produce a desired characteristic in the absolute sense. It’s the same as genetic engineering but takes longer because it is a tria and error process.
     
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    Hybridization does not involve introducing genes from other species. Fish genes, for instance, will never find their way into a plant without genetic engineering as we know it today.

    Anyone that doesn't see the distinction between the two techniques is being willfully obtuse, for whatever reason I won't bother to guess.
     
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    GM does not require genetic engineering. GM has been occurring for decades. The objective is to produce a characteristic by trial and error or engineering.
     

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