BBC defend burqa/niqab

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  1. cerberus

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    Yes, but it doesn't last very long before cultural difference rears its ugly head, and it's then that they can't mix.
     
  2. VotreAltesse

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    I would say that all cultures can't mix. Some can but islam can't mix with other cultures.

    Chinese, Japanese and Vietnamese are buddhist, confucianist or taoïst, and none of those religion encourage neither to murder or apply sha'riah law.
     
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    It's funny how UK was with France and Belgium one of the countries who send the most djihadis in ISIS, but people still argue there is no problem with Islam in those countries.

    That man left Islam, here is the price :
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    Sure you can. matter of fact that fastest way to endanger a woman's right to be bare headed or wear a mini, is by ensuring that government not get in the business of telling them what is or is not tolerable. You can rationalize all you want to, but freedom also requires that people pick their own faith and political affiliation. Those are all very personal issues. Stop being a coward. Either you believe in the merits of an open society with democratic liberties or you do not.
     
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    Some women choose a nun's habit, others wear stilettos. Choice inevitably leads to some very uncomfortable and inexplicable ones being exercised.
     
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    I believe in balance. I didn't use the image of the road for nothing. I believe in freedom, not anarchy. I think that a society need a minimum of rules. I won't care of the niqab is they were no djihadists, muslim attacks or harrassement of women in the street. Islam is misogynistic and violent. Someone wearing a niqab is for me like someone wearing a swatiska. A former muslim who was tortured in Palestine for his atheism said about France (and his point is valid for UK too) :
    _ When I came to France, I couldn't help to remember the jews who fled Poland in 1936 thinking they would be safe in France.
     
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    Oh I believe in society providing some order through rules. That is what legislative bodies do, but there are specific areas where either law writing is just plain dangerous to a republican form of government or instances where laws are more about harassing a specific class of people, or micromanaging people. Not sure I find your comparison remotely appropriate, but I live in a country which cannot outlaw the wearing of the swastika either. We have that strong first amendment that prohibits the government from regulating speech, assembly or religion. This is a fearless and bold constitution, that holds access to even offensive speech, or political ideas or political parties, is far less dangerous than having governments pick which speech, which ideas, which political parties, which sects are condusive to 'public order', and which are not. We have enough confidence in our people and institutions that they can withstand these periodic threats from groups who do not initially share our values. We think they will absorb enough of them, given time, because our democratic and republican ideas are just more compelling than any authoritarian ideas Most Islamists growing up in a democracy, will grow as fond of the right to speak, assemble and exercise religious as all those other groups in our history have. We don't beat these groups into submission with legislative fiats. We tempt them, teach them, and engage them.
     
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    It's not, the Anglo system is the best / summit of civilisation, and don't you forget it.
    You saw a BBC video defending the right to wear the burqa. I'd say that's proof enough that tolerance is here and not where you are.

    You're a Lazy - Snail Hunting, WWII Surrendering, Burqa Banning people who still speak French.

    Let me know when your country votes for the EU president and doesn't ban burqas.
     
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    French intolerance of Islam is openly racist and your lack of democracy at the EU level proves you're no better than the third world.
     
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    The EU should just speak English and adopt English laws.
    End of.

    It worked for USA.
     
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    This woman voted in Catalonia and the EU looked away when she got her beating.
     
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    If you want to be taken seriously, get France to leave the EU.
    Until then, you're just another savage without the right to talk about other savages because you're no better.
     
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    We won't tolerate a lecture from Russia about democracy, why should we tolerate a lecture about freeing an oppressed people from France or the EU? It's crazy!
     
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    Even your OP has a video about Muslims in the Anglo System that says just because they're Muslims doesn't mean they're Pakistani; so why should they get blamed for every Muslim in the world when they're British?
    Islam is a religion, and UK is a country.
     
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    I won't tolerate that kind of insults, you're lucky we didn't speak face to face, because I don't tolerate to be insulted.

    The people I refer when I criticize Islam are Waleed Al Husseini and Majid Oukacha, former muslims who risked their life when leaving this sect.

    I don't even get why you refer to Russia.

    Anyway, if I'm a savage, I think it's better to end the dialogue there, because I'm not patient, especially when I'm insulted.
     
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    Well, since god doesn't exist, according to many mainstream liberals and conservatives, I'm not sure this is even an issue? Can you prove that your god told you those types of dress must be worn or is this another rule made by a despot?
     
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    Sorry, we don't want to turn in a country where women are stoned and people decapitated.
     
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    Racist.
     
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    Your OP was clearly an attack on Britain.

    So you need an education about Islam.
     
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    You attack British Muslims and British values because you haven't worked out Britian isn't Pakistan.

    You don't see laws, just hijabs.
     
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    You attack British values, and argue French oppression and can't work out how the EU is savage.
     
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    Islamophobic. I criticize Islam on their holy books and hadith, not their race. Dozens of people risk their life to quit Islam. I don't think that the sha'riah is funnier when applied by an european converted or a blond-blue eyed tchetchen. However, I don't tolerate insults, so you go to my ignore list.
     
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    You don't tolerate Islam either. (What do you tolerate)? - You can't handle the truth that the EU is just as savage.
     
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    Last message before you go on ignore list : I'm for leaving EU. The only model I admire is swiss model, democracy come along sovereinty. That show how vain is your opinion, you made of me a straw man by projecting your fantasies, assuming I was pro EU because I'm french. You're delusionnal.
     

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