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  1. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Question for you, if you had a choice to give a child for adoption to two equally stable family structures, same money, same area, all things being equal, where one would be 2 guys, and the other one a guy and gal. Would you not want the child in the later?
     
  2. ProgressivePatriot

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    That is a hypothetical question and such a situation is highly unlikely to present itself -given the complexity of individuals and families-that two couples would be identical in every way. We would also consider the characteristic of the child such as special needs and who might best meet those needs. If we are talking about an older child, her or she would have a say in the matter. Many adoptions are by foster parent where there is already bonding.

    But, if in fact such a situation did occur and both families had the same resources and abilities in all respects and the child was not bonded to either and too young to have a say, I would be quite willing to toss a coin.
     
  3. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    I see, in my opinion you put political correctness above the well being of the child. Lets forget our disagreement about the morality, and other arguments and focus on the atmosphere where the children will be raised. By allowing the children to go to a same sex couple, you are putting a social burden on the kids.
    Not everyone will accept them, many will even have intolerance for them, because of something they cannot control. You would be putting these kids knowingly in a tougher situation.
     
  4. Arxael

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    So you will only place a white kid with a white family, Asian kid with an Asian family, etc. then right?

    There are ALWAYS social burdens for kids just from what develops even in a heterosexual family.

    You could be doing that if you put the kid in a family where his last name would be "jackinoff". Face facts, kids are cruel and they will ALWAYS find something that is different to tease another kid on should a larger group of them be similar.

    You are using non-existing future problems to justify your discrimination and you are only using ONE characteristic to judge a family on.

    Also of note, there are NEVER two IDENTICAL families as you have listed for such a hypothetical situation to exist in.
     
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    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

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    In Paul Copan's apologetics book, he shows, basic on the semantics of the Hebrew/Greek words, that the language in 1st Samuel 15 3 was hyperbolic and God didnt literally want King Saul to kill ALL the amalekties.
     
  6. ProgressivePatriot

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    It's not about political correctness. It's about equal treatment. If there is a social burden on children of same sex couples, it is a burden placed there by intolerant and narrow minded people like you. Not the fact of gay parenting. You could use the same argument- that not everyone would accept them- to oppose children of different races and ethnicities being placed for adoption.

    The other thing is that you seem to be living in the past where most people are bigoted, close minded a cruel. You seem to be out of touch with the fact that much has changed, especially among younger people. Many people don't care about any of this. You need to open your eyes and get in touch with reality.
     
  7. DevilMay

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    Just because fertile and willing-to-procreate heterosexual couples have an 'extra' thing to offer, as it were, doesn't mean same-sex couples have nothing to contribute, which is what you said. If people with homosexual attraction weren't coupled, they would be single, and less likely to adopt or create their own children. The relationships therefore have more to offer society than the alternative.
     
  8. ProgressivePatriot

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    They are PARENTS TO THEIR CHILDREN dude and they do all of the same things that others do. Why can't you understand that?
     
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    I will also add that I don't believe in allowing bigots to dictate public policy. I don't believing in blaming and penalizing the victim for the attitudes and behavior of the unenlightened Neanderthals. I do believe in coming down hard of those who will bully, demean and discriminate against those families who are different and against those children who's parents may be different. To do otherwise is like negotiating with and giving in to terrorists and hostage takers. Today, educators and social services agencies provide a tremendous amount of support for these families and there is little tolerance for harassment. Stop trying to justify discrimination.
     
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    Oxymoron seems to be afraid of "repercussions" that he has yet to define.

    I believe that the "repercussions" are just a convenient device in which he justifies his position. I haven't heard of any that are real, or even loosely defined.
     
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    No..It means same sex couples have less to contribute than heterosexual couples.

    I am not against homosexuals coupling or raising adopted children but their coupling should not be called a marriage.
     
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    Just as infertile, elderly and heterosexual couples unwilling to procreate do, but does this have any bearing on anything?

    Why not? What bad thing happens if you allow them to call their legal union a marriage?
     
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    So you are willing to deprive children of the security of having married parents , for what reason exactly??

     
  14. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Obviously, it would be much easier on the child. We are talking about benefits to child here right? Not benefits to Political correctness. Yes and if child was spanish speaking I would want to give the child to spanish speaking parents over Anglos.
     
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    Wasn't talking language, was talking about race. Obviously an Asian kid in a white family is going to be different right? That difference will be noticed by others right? So using your logic you would use race and give an Asian kid to an Asian family instead of a white family.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    If you read what I wrote, I said that yes I would want an Asian kid to be with an Asian family preferably, for the childs well overall well being. In any case I grow tired of repeating myself, and mostly in turn I get character assasination posts. So I will further refrain from this thread. I have said what I wanted to say about this topic, good day.
     

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