Bend Over America, McCain Saves Obamacare AGAIN!

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    Senator John McCain has come to the rescue of Obamacare again, likely putting a fork into any Republican efforts at killing this monstrosity that is expected to stick Americans with double-digit premium hikes this year.

    While Republicans rushed to kiss the ring of Alaska’s Lisa Murkowski, the other two of the RINO turncoats who saved the Affordable Care Act back in July – McCain and Susan Collins – were already looking like they were going to go for a repeat of their great American screw job.

    On Friday, the pathological attention whore made his announcement that he would not vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal which was partially the brainchild of his longtime sidekick Lindsey Graham.



    It remains to be seen whether this latest McCain betrayal will put a chill on his relationship with the Palmetto State princess but Graham spent a considerable amount of political capital on what was likely the last chance for the GOP to fulfill years of promises to repeal Obamacare.....It’s just the latest stab in the back from a charlatan who has wrapped himself in the flag and his “war hero” mythology while in reality is one of the most seditious, disloyal, double-dealing rat bastards in the history of the U.S. Senate. https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2017/09/bend-america-mccain-saves-obamacare/ I'm a Republican who voted for this sorry old man to be our President in 2008. To say that I'm disappointed would be an understatement. Sad to say that I'm largely in agreement with this conservative critique of what is now a Rino.
     
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    How McCain thinks he can get a bill that has democrat support through the senate needing 60 votes since there won't be a reconciliation process is beyond me. His votes opposing Obamacare initially and all the repeal and replace votes were for show only as he knew his buddy Obama would veto it.
     
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    McCain actually is opposed to Obamacare and wants to see it repealed. But he believes we can do better. This bill the Republicans have will raise premiums by 15-20% and uninsure tens of millions of people. What both parties ignore is that the problem with healthcare is the underlying cost of healthcare and both government and private healthcare are insanely expensive. Instead of raising premiums and uninsuring people to pay for tax cuts for the rich why not actually find ways to cut the cost of healthcare itself while still maintaining quality?
     
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    So he's going to stop a bill that would make some improvements while keeping Obamacare? Nothing like making the good the enemy of the perfect while settling for Obamacare bs in the meantime.
     
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    That would be great if the GOP's healthcare plan were actually projected to bring premium costs down, but according to the projections from the GOP's own congressional budget office, premiums were to increase at an even higher rate than under the current healthcare policy. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52939


    Obamacare should be replaced because it costs too much and covers too little.. but this notion that we should replace it with a policy that costs more and covers even fewer is not reasonable. Replacing Obamacare with a worse healthcare policy defeats the whole purpose of replacing it.


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    oh, and another thing, most who "lose" their insurance under Obamacare replacement do so voluntarily as they are no longer mandated by law under the penalty of a fine to be coerced into buying something they didn't want.
     
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    That bill increases premiums, cuts Medicaid, and cuts healthcare subisides to low-income people to help pay for tax cuts for the rich. It also allows insurance companies to charge the old and the sick more and allows states to not protect pre-existing conditions. All those young healthy people who drop out of healthcare will mean that those who are left are older and sicker and healthcare premiums will be higher because of this.
     
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    That bill doesn't improve anything. It doesn't reduced the number of uninsured and it doesn't cut premiums. And it doesn't even get rid of Obamacare, its just Obamacare lite, except worse. We need a bill that simplifies healthcare, increases the number of the insured, and lowers premiums.
     
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    That's not yet certain, but it's good news.
    The alternative is to throw yet more millions of people who need healthcare the under the bus and tell anyone with a pre-existing condition to eat **** and die.
    Single payer and the end of the insurance rackets are the only way to go.
     
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    Arizona gets $1.8 billion in expanded medicaid funds, that's why McCain voted the bill down. I think HHS needs to audit every state that recieves expanded Medicaid funds for 2 things. 1) Is all the money being spent on Medicaid or diverted to other places in the States budget? 2) Check states like Arizona to see if they are giving Medicaid to illegal aliens, if they are then put a hold their funds till they can prove there are no illegals on their Medicaid roles.
     
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    Do you really want to wait up to 8 hours in the back of an ambulance while waiting for an empty spot in the Emergency Room? Or wait 38 WEEKS for a joint replacement. I waited 8 weeks and it seemed like an eternity even with the Oxycontin because it barely knocked a dent in the pain. Is that what you want?
     
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    Republicans think more of their ideology than what's good for Americans.

    Congress should do their Job and create a good health care bill using the Dems unlike the previous 4 bills put forward ( 12 % approval rating )

    Take your Time and do your Due Diligence Congress !

    Create a Healthcare Bill that will be cheaper,better and cover all Americans as promised by Trump !


    Thank God for John McCain doing the right thing !
     
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    I agree with you. Congress should take it's time and let Obama Care just collapse, then point the finger at who passed it in the first place.
     
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    Don't conflate the system with the lack of funding.
    As long as you consider taxes unpatriotic, and have the 'you're on your own' mentality, you will continue to get played by the industry and get the poor service you complain about.
     
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    Lol...It's now trumpcare. Your great orange hope has already fiddled with it to make it collapse and hurt people in the process.
    He now owns the consequences of his actions.
    The only thing that will save him now is to do what McCain says- work on an honest bi-partisan solution in an open process.
    Then he can rightly claim success in improving healthcare for everyone, as he promised.
     
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    The fact is that Obama care can be saved, according to the CBO. It is the law and should be saved, rather than what we have now,
    which is politicians spending billions of taxpayer money unnecessarily. Changes can be made to this law. The fact is that Trump
    is not paying the insurance companies, and the uncertainty has resulted in their exodus. So don't be fooled by Trump's nonsense,
    because he simply doesn't want Obama to receive credit for his efforts. And incidentally, Obama said that it was a work in progress,
    and how could it be any other way? No matter what plan, changes will be made in time. Also, Obama always had a CBO score as he processed the plan. This new plan is being rammed down our throats without discussion or CBO just so Trump can win; his
    only objective.
     
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    So let me get this straight, the GOP healthcare bill would result in an increase in premiums from the current plan, and many people would lose their healthcare coverage.. but because the majority of the healthcare coverage decrease would be voluntary we're supposed to ignore that its a worse healthcare plan, and pass it anyway?
     
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    Republicans think more of their ideology than what's good for Americans.

    Congress should do their Job and create a good health care bill using the Dems unlike the previous 4 bills put forward ( 12 % approval rating )

    Take your Time and do your Due Diligence Congress !

    Create a Healthcare Bill that will be cheaper,better and cover all Americans as promised by Trump !


    Thank God for John McCain doing the right thing !

    Not what I said at all. You seemed confused?
     
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    I totally agree. While I respect McCain served in Vietnam, he is the king of all sellouts.
     
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    Republicans managed to prolong their hysterical frenzy over the ACA for seven years and, after that seemingly interminable gestation, gave birth to an alternative that was, incredibly, far more loathsome than the Affordable Care Act. It was so repugnant that they had to conspire in secret, and attempt to ram it through before the Congressional Budget Office could get the chance to inform the American people what it would do.

    Based upon what was known, it was vehemently opposed by the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Hospital Association, the ALS Association, American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Arthritis Foundation, Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, Family Voices, the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, Lutheran Services in America, March of Dimes, National Health Council, National Multiple Sclerosis Society, National Organization for Rare Diseases, Volunteers of America, WomenHeart, and America's Health Insurance Plans.

    They did succeed in increasing support for the ACA to the point where most Americans decided they wanted to keep in force the legislation that extended coverage to tens of millions of Americans previously uninsured, prevented insurance companies from excluding folks with pre-existing conditions or arbitrarily cancelling their coverage, and allowing family coverage to continue for kids to age 25 if not otherwise eligible for coverage.

    The question now is, "Can an impotent GOP competently address the need for the modifications to the ACA that Americans want and need?"

    If they merely persist in bellywhinging and sabotaging the system, they will have failed the People.

    One redemptive, long-overdue initiative the GOP might try is freeing Medicare to negotiate Rx prices with Big Pharma that shamelessly buys the votes of Democratic and Republican politicians alike who now prevent Americans from being charged the far lower prices that Canadians, Europeans, and others pay.
     
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    I hope you know this is a dog and pony show, right :) The Repubs don't want to kill Obatardcare but they need to save face! John is a walking corpse and has nothing to loose, it's obvious.
     
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    LOL! The Reps control the entire game and still can't pass anything.

    What a bunch of losers!
     
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    McCains main argument was he wanted Democrats and Republicans to work together on a new plan which just won't happen. Democrats will never dump Obamacare and replace it with something better, he is living in an alternate reality.
     
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    McCain must own a LOT of stock in the Obamacare suppository factory
     
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    Yes, they would, but not if the key features are gutted, which is what this plan does.
     

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