Bennett on State of HI: "I can't seem to get them to say 'yes.'

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    Hawaii birth issue could keep Obama off Arizona ballot


    By Kim Geiger

    Tribune Washington Bureau (MCT)


    WASHINGTON >> In a revival of the controversy surrounding President Barack Obama's Hawaii birth certificate, a state official in Arizona says it's "possible" that he'll hold Obama's name off the Arizona ballot if Hawaii officials don't send him confirmation that the president was born there.

    Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett, a Republican who is exploring a 2014 race for governor, says he waded into the issue after receiving more than 1,200 emails from people requesting that he verify Obama's birth in Hawaii before placing the president's name on the 2012 ballot.

    "First of all, I'm not playing to the birthers," Bennett said in a radio interview with KFYI radio host Mike Broomhead. "I'm not a birther. I believe that the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was."

    "But my responsibility as secretary of state is to make sure that the ballots in Arizona are correct and that those people whose names are on the ballots have met the qualifications for the office that they're seeking," he said.

    Ever since Obama ran for president in 2008, some critics known as "birthers" have suggested, without proof, that he was born in Kenya. The Constitution states that only natural-born citizens can be elected president or vice president.

    In an effort to put the issue to rest, the Obama campaign in 2008 released a certificate of live birth from the Hawaii Health Department. Still unsatisfied, Obama's detractors demanded release of his original birth certificate, which is not considered a public record under Hawaii law.

    The White House posted a copy of the long-form version of his birth certificate last April. Doing so required the president to personally send a request to the Hawaii Department of Health. A White House official retrieved the certificate in person and copies of it were given to reporters and posted to the White House website.

    "I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the president that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii," Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy said in a statement at the time that the long-form birth certificate was released.

    That sounds like the type of verification Bennett is seeking, but Bennett says he won't be satisfied until he hears it from a Hawaiian official personally.

    Citing a Hawaii law that allows other government officials to request "verification in lieu of" — confirmation from the state that there is a birth certificate on file for an individual who claims to have been born there — Bennett said he sent a request after receiving a barrage of emails from constituents around the time that Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio launched an investigation into Obama's birth certificate.

    "I was frankly expecting that they would very quickly and very simply say 'yes,'" Bennett said. "Eight weeks later, they haven't said — I can't seem to get them to say 'yes.'"

    Bennett said the state responded by asking him to send proof that he has the authority to request the information.

    "All they've got to do is email me back saying 'yes,' and it's over," Bennett said. "I'm just stunned that they're making it so hard."


    Bennett spoke about the matter in response to a story by the Phoenix New Times, which reported that Jerome Corsi, a leader of the birther movement, claimed to have received an "assurance" from Bennett that he would look into the issue.<

    Asked if he would keep Obama's name off the state's 2012 ballot if Hawaii fails to fulfill his request, Bennett said: "That's possible. Or the other option would be I would ask all the other candidates, including the president, maybe to submit a certified copy of their birth certificate. But I don't want to do that."

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/152096285.html?id=152096285


    Are state officials afraid to go on the record telling another state that Obama was born in HI for election eligibility certification purposes?

    Are they afraid of committing a crime? Why aren't they saying "yes"? This is very strange.



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    Trolls get ignored. He can wait all he wants. Bottom line is Obama will be on the ballot and egg will be on Bennett's face.
     
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    He's a secretary of state asking for a "yes". Why not say yes?

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    He's a troll and you shouldn't feed trolls. Just let him sit there and squirm. There is no way on God's green earth Obama is not going to appear on the Arizona ballot... none. So just ignore the guy.
     
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    Because you say so? LOL!


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    Apparently 4 years ago the paperwork provided by the Obama campaign was sufficient to get the president onto the ballot in Arizona.

    Now other than the opportunity for such media whores as Arpaio and his budding apprentice Bennett, has something changed in the last 4 years that would suggest that the state of Arizona has two levels of proof necessary? One for those who are Republicans and one for those who are not? One for those who are white and one for those who are not? What is the difference between now and then?
     
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    Did this happen as you say?


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    Yes, the president got on the ballot in Arizona. If you would like to prove me wrong then by all means, do so.
     
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    This:


    "4 years ago the paperwork provided by the Obama campaign"


    Did this happen as you say?


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    You know that guy has voted Democrat his entire life because his Dad did before his sex change.

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    Maybe he should ask Jan Brewer. She accepted whatever the Gov't gave her in 08...
     
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    SHERIFF JOE SENDS DETECTIVES TO HONOLULU

    Cold Case Posse seeks to crack mystery of Obama's birth 50 years ago


    In a major development in his probe of Barack Obama&#8217;s eligibility for Arizona&#8217;s 2012 presidential ballot, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has dispatched his lead Cold Case Posse investigator and a deputy detective to Hawaii.

    The mission to Obama&#8217;s purported birthplace comes as the Hawaii Department of Health continues to resist efforts by Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett to verify that the Honolulu agency has a valid birth certificate on file for Obama.


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    Former Bergen County, N.J., detective Mike Zullo and his volunteer team were commissioned by Arpaio last September to investigate Obama&#8217;s eligibility after citizens raised concerns about the authenticity of the birth record the White House posted on its website. Zullo&#8217;s team announced March 1 that it found probable cause that the document is a forgery.

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    Zullo&#8217;s investigation is a volunteer effort, but the Maricopa County Sheriff&#8217;s Office has sent him to Hawaii with an MCSO deputy detective for safety reasons and to act as a liaison between MCSO and local law enforcement.

    WND reporter Jerome Corsi is embedded with the investigators in Hawaii with the provision that reporting during the trip be curtailed to protect the investigation.

    Arpaio told WND Friday that the Hawaii Department of Health&#8217;s refusal to confirm to Bennett that it has a valid Obama birth certificate on file makes it look like Hawaii officials &#8220;are hiding something.&#8221;

    Bennett has said that he might keep Obama&#8217;s name off of the state&#8217;s presidential ballot if he doesn&#8217;t receive the confirmation.

    Eight weeks ago, the secretary of state asked Hawaii officials merely for an email confirming the Department of Health has a certified copy of the birth certificate, but Hawaii officials have not complied.

    Zullo told WND Friday that Hawaii&#8217;s refusal to comply &#8220;is just another outright, glaring display of stonewalling that the Sheriff&#8217;s Office has encountered since Day One conducting this investigation.&#8221;

    Zullo said &#8220;common sense at this point should be everyone&#8217;s guide.&#8221;

    &#8220;If this was a non-issue, it wouldn&#8217;t be going on eight weeks waiting for the state of Hawaii to verify anything,&#8221; he said.

    Over the weekend, KTVK-TV in Phoenix reported the Hawaii attorney general&#8217;s office has told Bennett he needs to take certain steps to confirm Obama&#8217;s birth records.

    The steps include Bennett proving that he &#8220;legitimately needs confirmation to update records at his office.&#8221;

    Zullo told WND that Maricopa County Sheriff&#8217;s Office investigators have spoken at length with Bennett regarding the president&#8217;s birth record. Zullo said his team spoke with Bennett as recently as last week.

    &#8220;We are in the beginning stages of enlightening him to critical information that the sheriff has acquired during this investigation,&#8221; Zullo said.

    &#8216;It looks like they&#8217;re hiding something&#8217;

    Arpaio&#8217;s team also is investigating the president&#8217;s Selective Service registration form, which his team also found probable cause to be a forgery.

    He told WND he&#8217;s not getting much cooperation with federal and state governments.

    &#8220;But that doesn&#8217;t matter; we&#8217;re still going to continue our investigation and see if those documents are forged,&#8221; he said.

    Does anyone really know where Obama is from? Find out the startling truth from New York Times best-selling author Jerome Corsi.

    Regarding the Hawaii Department of Health, Arpaio noted he&#8217;s said since the beginning of the investigation last fall, &#8220;Show me the microfilm.&#8221;

    &#8220;They won&#8217;t do that, so it looks like they&#8217;re hiding something,&#8221; he said.

    Arpaio said he will continue his investigation regardless of whether or not Obama gets on the ballot.


    Sheriff Joe Arpaio
    In an interview last Thursday with Phoenix radio host Mike Broomhead of KFYI, Bennett was asked if he would remove Obama&#8217;s name from the ballot if Hawaii won&#8217;t reply to his request.

    &#8220;That&#8217;s possible. Or the other option would be that I would ask all the candidates, including the president, to submit a certified copy of their birth certificate,&#8221; Bennett said.

    Bennett explained that under Hawaii law, government officials can request verification that the state has possession of a valid birth certificate.

    &#8220;They could say yes tomorrow, and the whole thing goes away,&#8221; Bennett said. &#8220;If they can&#8217;t say yes to that simple question, then it makes me wonder if we have to take it to another level.&#8221;

    Bennett said that regardless of Hawaii&#8217;s response, he needs &#8220;to have to have some simple verification that people are qualified for the office if they&#8217;re going to be on the ballot here in Arizona.&#8221;

    The Arizona official insisted he&#8217;s not a &#8220;birther&#8221; and denied he&#8217;s trying to appease &#8220;birthers&#8221; because he wants to run for governor.

    &#8220;I believe the president was born in Hawaii &#8211; or at least I hope he was,&#8221; Bennett said.


    http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/hawaii-five-o-sheriff-joe-sends-detectives-to-honolulu/
     
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    they told him what he needed to do, now all he needs to do is do it, that is the way government works, he must follow procedure or he gets nothing and we all know Obama has shown both the long and short form BC and HI has already verified it as being the one on file
     
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    This issue only hurts conservatives. It doesn't suprise me they are to stupid to understand this but being a birther does causes retardation.
     
  17. Think for myself

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    Ah yes, the newly minted fame whore that is Bennett is getting a bit of blowback on his pandering to partisan.

    Apparently he is also the Arizona Romney campaign co chair. Yes, the man who is attempting to hold up the president's name getting on the ballot out of nothing more than a needy desire to be lauded by morons on the internet is involved in the presidential race himself behind the scenes, working for the candidate whose name he is not attempting to hold off the ballot.

    Rather amusing in how utterly pathetic this clown Bennett is.

    http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...etary-state-reverses-stance-endorsements.html

    Constituents and out-of-state residents flooded the Arizona Secretary of State's Office with comments over the weekend after Ken Bennett waded into the "birther" controversy by asking Hawaiian officials to verify President Barack Obama's birth information.

    Bennett's office, which oversees state elections, received more than 1,000 e-mails and phone calls with people both applauding and condemning the agency for its request.

    Bennett, a Republican, called the reaction to his request overblown. And he defended his role as co-chairman for GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney's Arizona campaign.

    "This year ... I am, in my personal life, I am going to endorse Mitt Romney," Bennett said. "And in my professional life as secretary of state, we're going to do everything we can to run the election as fair as we can."

    Bennett's involvement in Romney's campaign is a reversal of the stance he took while running for the office.

    During a televised debate with his Democratic opponent in 2010, Bennett told the audience it was improper for elections officials to weigh in on partisan issues.

    "I do not feel it's appropriate that I take a position on either the propositions that the voters will be voting on, or endorsing candidates in elections," Bennett said at the time.

    "And Chris (Deschene) has done the same as far as not endorsing candidates, and I think we both feel that it's not appropriate for election officials to be taking positions on either the propositions or candidates when we're going to have to conduct the election."

    Bennett said he changed his position because detractors would still criticize him based on endorsements he made years ago.

    Political observers and a spokeswoman with the National Association of Secretaries of State said it is common for elected or appointed secretaries of state to participate in some kind of support role at the national or state level during election years.

    However, critics blasted Bennett for his request, saying his actions amount to political pandering.

    On Monday, the Obama campaign called on Romney to stand up to those in the Republican Party who give credence to the birther theory.

    "With Mitt Romney's hand-picked co-chairman now promoting a conspiracy theory in blatant and brazen political fashion, why is Romney remaining silent? It's time for Mitt Romney to stop pandering to the far-right and denounce the extreme voices in his own party and within his own campaign," it said.

    Romney's campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

    Bennett reiterated that he is not a birther and that he is simply trying to verify information about Obama's birth at the request of a constituent.

    He said he wanted to ensure Obama can appear on Arizona's Nov.6 ballot.

    Meanwhile, a Hawaiian government official told The Arizona Republic on Monday that the state's Department of Health already has released extensive information about Obama's birth certificate, including a certified copy of his "long form" birth certificate.

    A copy of that certificate is on the White House's website, and documentation affirming that Hawaii health officials have personally viewed the birth certificate is available online.

    Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii's attorney general, said officials have been in contact with Bennett since March on the matter, but that Bennett has failed to provide adequate legal authority that he is eligible to receive verification of Obama's birth, in lieu of a birth certificate.

    On May17, Bennett wrote to a Hawaii deputy attorney general, imploring officials to provide that verification, which is essentially an official assertion that the certificate is valid.

    In the e-mail, Bennett said his office has "strictly and expressly" complied with all Hawaii statutes necessary to receive the information.

    Bennett must show his request is for "a legitimate government purpose."

    Hawaii officials also asked him to confirm that the request is a normal procedure to update all entries on a list, "rather than just targeting one name."

    Bennett's office has received at least one request to look into Romney's background.

    Jeannie Guerrero, a registered Republican, asked Bennett to document Romney's U.S. citizenship status, saying candidates should be treated equally.

    Romney was born in Michigan.

    Bennett said he has not seen the request but said he would follow up on any legitimate requests to look into Romney's background if Michigan law allows.

    A Michigan spokeswoman said the state's Department of Community Health will provide verification of a candidate's birth certificate to anyone through an application process.

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...verses-stance-endorsements.html#ixzz1vbUkhOmd
     
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    TFM, thanks for showing that Michigan is willing to do what Hawaii is not.


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    because the answer isnt yes....its "who the (*)(*)(*)(*) are you and why do you need it."
     
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    Really? The state of Hawaii said they are not willing? Where did that come form? Who said that? I woudl love to review that article or your source of that information.

    As for as Bennett goes, it would appear his entire farce is based on nothing more than partisanship.
     
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    They wont say yes. Michigan says that they will

    Will you answer my earlier question?
     
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    Yes, I realize the claim in your post was unsupported.

    I simply find it amazing that so many in this country so openly embrace the ignorance that is the birther movement, and how for 4 years now despite being slapped in the face repeatedly with facts folks opt for the ridiculous, such as Bennett in this case.
    I do have to wonder
     
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    On whose authority is it decided that Obama appears on Arizona's ballot in November? Certainly not Obama. He has no authority in state ballot access requirements. State officials decide that, not the President nor his buddies in Congress. See Ralph Nader, 2004.
     
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    The copies of the BC and of course the "original" BC are fraudulant and phony, and so are the paid-off Hawaii officials who authenicate them.

    Why don't they let Bennet or someone go in with a couple of objective document authenticity experts to analyze the orininal BC, and we can go with their opinion, and everyone should be satisfied?
     

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