Best US president of the last 100 years?

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Best President of last 100 years?

  1. WIlson

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  2. Harding

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  3. Coolidge

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    5.1%
  4. Hoover

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  5. FDR

    16 vote(s)
    27.1%
  6. Truman

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  7. Ike

    4 vote(s)
    6.8%
  8. JFK

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    6.8%
  9. LBJ

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  10. Nixon

    2 vote(s)
    3.4%
  11. Ford

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    1.7%
  12. Carter

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  13. Reagan

    25 vote(s)
    42.4%
  14. GH BUsh

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  15. Clinton

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    1.7%
  16. GW Bush

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  17. Obama

    3 vote(s)
    5.1%
  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    "Countless useless idiots" is exactly the right phrase. Even if OcaCort (Ocasio-Cortez) didn't exist, there would be many others, including Kamalah Harris, Cory Booker, Bernie Sanders, the probable reappearance of Hillary, "Jive-ass Joe" Biden, and "Dizzy Lizzy" Warren. They're all pimping enticements of "free stuff", "just-pay-for-it" medical systems, and other 'wanna-be' socialism.

    The only real difference between them is found in Bernie, who, despite his crackpot, misguided political and economic theories, is, I believe, a fundamentally HONEST person....
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    So a tie between FDR and Reagan, how interesting.
     
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    I’d hardly give credit to Wilson for winning WW1. The Germans were in dire straits before the US entered the war. If anything, Wilson needlessly threw away the lives of over 100,000 American lives, for a conflict that the US had no need to be involved in.
     
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    Only in the Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

    The military and national security took a huge hit under Clinton and the Democrats.

    It was the Clinton administration in particular Madeline Albright who wanted to restart the Cold War.

    It was President Clinton who said that Al Qaeda was not a national security issue but a law enforcement issue.

    It was Clinton's Attorney General Janet Reno who put up a "wall" that prevented our intelligence agencies and law enforcement from sharing intelligence on Al Qaeda with each other preventing the connecting of the dots before 9/11 that allowed Al Qaeda to pull off the 9/11 attacks.

    It was Democrat liberal policies that led up to the crash. ( Great Recession)

    The FBI described the Clinton White House as "Animal House."

    FLOTUS Crooked Hillary even had a cocaine den for her staff.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Daily in hundreds of thousands of appraisals all over America, appraisers must comment on the state of the economy in reports. I learned early during the Clinton era that underwriters did not want to read the appraiser allege the market was falling. Do not check that box I was told by underwriting."We will never approve a consumers loan in a falling market."

    Trouble was, the market was falling. I was appraising in the most expensive part of the USA. I appraised homes from San Francisco to Salinas, Ca and from Santa Cruz East to Antioch, Ca. And at times in our mountains.

    I recall with clarity the market was not good like Clinton sycophants would ask you to believe. When the magic of the Internet came alive, with no acts by Clinton doing a thing, then home prices began back up. Yes, prior to Clinton and for years of Clinton, the market kept falling. So to credit Clinton when it was the internet, not politics that brought back the economy won't fly. It is wrong to connect Clinton to improving markets.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only a Democrat could pick FDR and they do not know his history.
     
  7. Pollycy

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    Yeah, it's quite a bizarre thing to imagine.

    FDR created the foundation for the Welfare State in this country.
    FDR conspired with Churchill to cut off all oil supplies to Japan when both the U. S. and Britain were completely at PEACE with Japan.
    FDR got over 400,000 American military personnel killed in World War II as a direct result of deliberately provoking a war with Japan and its allies.
    FDR created the situation allowing the Soviet Union to gobble up all of Eastern Europe after World War II, dooming it to communism for well over 30 years!

    Reagan got the U. S. out of the horrible economic and political mess it had first fallen into under Nixon, then Ford, then Carter. Reagan took inflation from double-digit numbers down to 'normal' levels, and created a business atmosphere full of good jobs and careers.
    Reagan created a military and economic engine so robust that it completely overpowered the Soviet Union's ability to 'keep up' within three years after Reagan retired. After teetering on the brink of implosion for several years, the Soviet Union officially went out of existence on December 25, 1991.

    A 'tie' between FDR and Reagan does not extend beyond acknowledgment that both of them were members of the same species... maybe....
     
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    FDR meddled in the economy during the Great Depression and his policies prolonged the Great Depression and it was Hitler who brought about the recovery of the economy during the FDR administration.
     
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    Spot on! Churchill desperately needed America in Britain's war against Germany, and during those many little 'visits' Churchill paid to FDR, it can fairly be said it was noted that:

    1. FDR's "New Deal" and "Second New Deal" weren't producing any real, long-lasting benefit for the U. S., or, ENDING the Depression.
    2. FDR knew that a nice, big, fat WAR -- funded with billions of imaginary, new dollars WOULD end the Depression! He ran with it, got us in a war with Japan by cutting off all oil to them without any provocation, and then was successfully elected to the presidency FOUR times! It only got over 400,000 American soldiers, sailors, and airmen killed. What a deal! :applause:
     
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    Good point. Adolph had a different type of population than those inhabiting the USA. Adolph did not need a lot of committee work. If he gave the order, it took place. Thus he commanded Germany's economy. Presidents lack the power of a Hitler or Tojo in Japan or a Mussolini in Italy.

    Being in war makes our presidents a lot more powerful. Trump can't drop an A bomb right now. Truman could and did.

    War puts people to work. It always has and always will.
     
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    FDR had the NRA (National Recovery Administration) that told barbers how much they could charge for a haircut.
    FDR had shovels for the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps) who built hiking trails, fire breaks and fire truck trails and bridges to nowhere while Hitler built the Autobahn and the "Peoples Car" (Volkswagen).

    Obama was given $831 billion dollars for shovels and there were no shovel ready jobs, just Cash for Clunkers and union pension funds.
     
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    Still a marvelous book on FDR and his war.

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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My parents had ration books that limited them in goods they could buy. Above are all excellent points made by you.
     
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    I hope this was done is jest because without a doubt FDR was the greatest of the last 100 years, there should be no question about that at all. In fact, I would put him, Lincoln and Washington in the same category with Lincoln number one, FDR two and George three. Is this really up for debate around here?
     
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    The stimulus package included several elements including job creation but not limited to it. The right wing loves to make a complex subject easy to digest in Hannitized sound bites. For your information, I personally helped spend about 50 million of that stimulus package as it pertained to broadband networks. It put plenty of people to work bringing high speed broadband to the parts of the country that hated Obama, I guess they never forgave him for giving them high speed pornography.
     
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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    laughable revisionist "history"
     
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    It is and it isn't, no one can doubt European rearmament helped stimulate the US economy.
     
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    The US would always have come into conflict with Imperial Japan, just as the other colonial powers did, they had an expansionist agenda and America was in their way
     
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    This part I agree with.
    This part I don't. See below.

    According to General MacArthur's autobiography, the reason the Japanese attacked the US when they did wasn't because of oil or anything like that but because the US was helping to beef up Philippine readiness for war. The Japanese military leaders had their eyes on the Philippines and having the US get in the way of their plans to annex it was a big problem. Shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Japanese made good on their plans to invade the Philippines and drove MacArthur out. And who knows what might have happened in Europe if Hitler had sued for peace instead of declaring war. Could Roosevelt have pushed the country into a war on two fronts if it wasn't absolutely necessary?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is what you need know about me.
    1. I spent decades as a very loyal brainwashed Democrat.
    2. I have been a personal witness to their changing lies.
    Give you a good example. They were for well past 200 years devoted to racism. So why would they suddenly change? LOL They never changed. Republicans did not change either. Study all anti racist laws and you find it was republicans working hard to remove them. Not Democrats. Who labored long to get women the right to vote nationally? Democrats fought against it. Republicans fought to get women the right.
    3. I was not at the time anti Democrats. I in fact got my hands on a book and read it thinking it proved how great Democrats are.

    Read the book.

    If you read 1 political book, let it be this book. Not the condensed version, but the full version

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    Not many of we history students are asking why did Japan attack, we know why they attacked. What we do discuss is why did FDR load a tiny port at Oahu with so many ships?

    First, if you put in far too many ships, ships have a much more difficult time to maneuver. And why were our men not on high alert?
    I know what a high alert is like. We went into a high alert the day JFK was killed and the alert lasted several days.

    OK, now for this problem you are Japan.

    What do you as Japan believe FDR will do with those vessels of war? Hawaii is well on the way to Japan.

    Why did FDR go against his Admirals advice and put so many ships into that small congested port?

    FDR was using Hoover proposals on his new deal.

    Why is Hitler given credit for our Economy?

    Notice what the Hitler economy was. And also Germany is a tiny country. We have states much larger than Germany is.

    For Germany, Hitler was embroiled in pure socialist policies. Socialists want national health care. Hitler had it. Socialists want family leave. Hitler had a vacation program paid for by goverment for citizens. Germans were bought into the Hitler system rather than fought into it or scared into it. For the typical german prior to his invasion of Poland, they were living a dream. They had killed the extreme inflation. They had jobs finally. They were getting far more benefits from his government than problems.

    I maintain that the FDR new deal was modeled on Germany and it's economics. Had Roosevelt also engaged in the massive build up of our military, he would have copied Germans economy other than Hitler was engaged in large scale German road building.

    I drove Germany. I tell you all, a part of CA that has those two lane roads that take too long to get from town to town would be like the CA highway 49 in our Gold Country. Arkansas has some of those slow two lane roads. I drove one in NY State and some in PA too. I guess every state has some of the lousy 2 lane slow traffic roads. Hitler was into building a highway system with no speed limits. And you can drive faster than 150 mph on those. i drove those also.

    When i was growing up, NV had some no speed limit highways. And the cops did not care if you drove 150 mph there either.
     
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    Weeeee!!!! Reagan is beating even the mighty FDR!! Though Reagan made mistakes it is hard for people to imagine today what a relief it was having Reagan as president after FOUR consecutive failed administrations. Two Republican, two Democrat.

    Not to mention for various reasons until Reagan none of the last FIVE presidents had managed to serve two full terms.
     
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    We have a major problem in the USA

    Our vaunted historians are almost entirely composed of devoted Democrats.

    Reagan as I see the entirety of the man is this nations finest president.

    Yes, he beats Washington too.

    Washington though very rich, faced much smaller problems than Reagan faced. Washington did not have major tax issues to face. Then the USA was founded on extremely simple tax laws that were easy to understand. While he faced England, it can be argued that had England got real serious, they would have sent over 100,000 troops here and easily crushed Washington.

    Reagan took charge when this nation was in very serious trouble. Global trouble in fact. The economy of this nation was called a Major cluster Eff up at the time. We got hit daily by high prices. We were crippled by unemployment and stagflation.
     
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    Clinton had the best job growth and economy while raising taxes and balancing the Federal Budget!!
     
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    @Pollycy

    Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan would have
    gotten around to taking on :flagus: in there own time
    regardless with how neutral FDR behaved.
    Better to get involved while we would not be alone.


    FDR Programs such as electrification were phenomenal
    that provided the electricity needed for the Manhattan Project
    FDR okayed on a letter written to him by Einstein.
    It consumed some 1/3 of electricity production but, :flagus: had all this new electricity in the Northwest and TVA.

    The economy FDR inherited was certainly worse than what Reagan inherited.


    FDR, Reagan and Trump all tap into people as few Presidents could.
    I guess JFK could. Certainly not LBJ, NIXON, Ford, Carter, etc.



     

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