Biden will ‘make Abbas great again,’ says Israeli pundit

No idea what you are talking about ..

 

As of 2002, traitorous "Israel Firsters" and Israeli parasites have managed to extort $ Trillions(1) from US taxpayers and what sort of gratitude do we get:

Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”(2)

Even Israelis regard America's gaggle of traitorous "Israel Firsters" as "...inherently dupable people" (aka Suckers)(3) so why are Americans giving anything to to a government that has repeatedly betrayed us as far back as the Lavon Affair in the 1950s up to the selling of US Top Secrets to China today (4)?



(1) "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

By Thomas R. Stauffer

EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED


(2) http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html


(3) "WHAT DO ISRAELIS THINK ABOUT AMERICANS? START WITH DISDAIN"
http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/

EXCERPT " Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

“Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

“Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

But it’s not just American tourists whom many Israelis see as guileless. American foreign policy is held up to similar scrutiny here, even as Israel receives billions of dollars in foreign aid from the United States each year.

The naivete Israelis perceive in Americans is not just something they believe only Israel’s adversaries exploit; Israelis believe they can do so, too — and do. In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.

“I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction. CONTINUED


(4) "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

EXCERPT "Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002."CONTINUED

 

Ha ha ha, right on Q!

Sleepy Joe is gonna move the Embassy out of Jerusalem, cancel all the unfair peace agreements between Israel and its Arab neighbors, restore financial aid to the families of jailed Palestinian terrorists and make Palestinians front and center of US Middle East policy again.

It'll surely make things better in the Middle East!

 

Likewise with "Right on Q"!

I didn't vote for Sleepy Joe nor do expect any of the things you listed to happen but I do know that our Israeli - AIPAC run Mid East policy remains a bloody and dismal failure that has cost thousands of American lives and $ Trillions.

Bankrolling Zionist ethnic cleansing and criminal land theft has only worsened America's position in the world and made Americans less safe.

The only thing that the US has not tried is the only thing that will work and that is an even handed Mid East policy.

 

El Saud is the Father if Modern Islamist Terrorism ... Yaser was a Freedom Fighter.

 

Jerusalem was the capital of the Jews three thousand years ago. We have killed or persecuted Jews
wherever they lived, and driven them out of about 100 countries. Then we tell them what they can do
on their own land.

 

Lots have been killed or injured through 'home made' missiles. With Iranian tech smuggled into
Gaza and Lebanon these 'home made' missiles are getting more accurate and lethal. But in the
battle between the Islamist and the Jew, the Jew gets smarter - his anti-missile tech, underground
sensors, marine tech, border fence knowhow etc. have created growing markets for Israel tech..

 

Yes, for a period of c.500 years only (c. 1000 - 500 BC), with the last 250 of those years in which Jerusalem was capital of an independent Judah only, when northern Israel was subjugated by the Assyrian Empire. After that Jerusalem was never again capital of a sovereign Israeli state.

Fast forward; international law says East Jerusalem is not the capital of an independent Israeli state, only West Jerusalem. Of course ideologues - and know-nothings like Trump - like to impose their own beliefs.

That's the story of ALL mankind - not just Jews - except the Jewish diaspora scattered them all around the world.

But re "their own land": since 1946, international law forbids the "acquisition of territory by force"....however, the international machinery to implement that law is not yet in place....

Even so, that's no basis for the world to accept occupation of territory by force, based on OT mythology.

 

Trump is gonna do that with his withdrawal 5 days before Biden takes office

 

Not a Trump supporter, but I like how he got Arab nations to begin recognizing Israel. That might
just prompt the Palestinians to negotiate with Israel, and accept a deal before all of Palestine is
gone forever.
Jerusalem was still the Capital right up until the Bar Kochbar revolt, I understand.
And why should we make an issue out of Israel and the West Bank when we have nations like
Russia and China bullying other nations, and wanting to 'restore' lost empires (think Sth China
Sea and Ukraine for instance.)

 

Israel has very good missile tech... correct on that one. Not so much for the rest.

The home made rockets do very little damage on a relative basis - the comparison in fact is ridiculous .. like comparing David To Goliath when David has a sling shot and Goliath has an attack Helicopter. Simply no contest.

That Iranian technology is used in these home made fire works is simply - NO. There have been rumors about Hezbollah having some Iranian missiles but to date no such weapon has been fired by Hezbollah on Israel.

Look - Iran has serious missile technology - and combination drone/missile technology. This stuff is lethal - Patriot system had no chance against it and neither does the Israeli missile defense. We simply can't defend against this stuff.

So in short - The Palestinians have not been given sophisticated military technology as described above - and this is generally the case.

Last - and an important distinction - there is a difference between an Islamist Jihad - and the Blood Feud between the Palestinians and Israel that has been going on for 80 years... and while one could split hairs and claim that Hezbollah/Hamas are "Islamist" - this does not apply to all the Palestinian People in General - and certainly not Lebanon ... and certainly not in the same type of Islamist as the El Saud Variety... They are more the Iran Variety - although not necessarily being Shia... there are non Islamist Muslims on both sides of that fence .. but the El Saud one's are by far the worst .. and way different than say Iranian Islamists.

 

No chance...did you see the palestinian reaction? Besides, the Arab league has offered recognition of Israel for a decade or more.

Can you name a suitable Palestinian capital? I'm sure they would like to hear from you.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of UN resolutions that would have brought peace if implemented. But the illegal messianic setters - who are STILL waiting for their Messiah (since OT Jews rejected Jesus 2000 years ago) are ideologically wedded to their OT mythology re possession of the promised Land.

Yes, but under foreign sovereignty from c. 500BC. (notice the Greeks are mentioned in the last OT books before the Hebrew text was closed c.300BC, under the remnants of the Greek (Alexandrian) empire).

Because we in the West (and Russia) are steeped in OT mythology, as part of the biblical narrative (OT + NT) .
People like to examine 'truth' and 'reality'. (I'd be happy with Marcion's NT; in which Jesus appears as an apparition of God, a true Prince of Peace who is not contaminated with Jehovah the genocidal bronze-age god of war (or "man of war", according to Moses).

China of course couldn't give a damn about all this, except maybe to veto the US in SC resolutions re Israel.

 

I hope for Israels sake that what Trump is doing doesn't put them in harms way

 

LOL! You need to get new tin foil.

This is the guy who claimed all of the dead children at Sandy Hook were actors. What a sick bastard. And promoting his nonsense is just a sick.

Did you know a judge ruled that Alex Jones is too dangerous to be allowed near his children?

 

I'll go along with most of what you said here. Just one point though -
often you will get TV images of poor Palestinians throwing rocks at
Israeli tanks. That's all theater to create this David vs Goliath effect.
It provides sympathy for the Palestinian 'cause' and then they don't
have to seriously negotiate with Israel.

 

Wouldn't Ramalah make a good capital?
Re Jesus vs OT God. If you read the original text (ie the Gospels) it is made
quite clear that Jesus spoke often quite harshly about the Jews AND all those
who rejected him.
ie bring them here and burn them before my eyes
cast them into outer darkness
fall by the edge of the sword.. and your children with you
Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the gentiles, until the gentiles time is fullfilled.
etc

the last one is quite menacing, it suggests the suffering of the Jew might be the
suffering of the gentile tomorrow.

 

It is not all theatre .. this is not true - demonstrably false on steroids. Having a 1000 lb bomb dropped on your apartment block because some bad guy happened to wander by - is not "Theater" ... its called David vs Goliath.

The Palestinians do not have such weapons - Not even close. Should they be supplied with such weapons so we do not have such an asymmetric situation. Your inferred claim that the situation is not asymmetric and/or that Israel does not use these weapons on the Palestinians .. is a false perspective.

The "Theater" - is the spoon fed pro-Israeli narrative - which is all you get from the right. The Left - the Party of the most Jews - is the party that is critical of Israel - as are a large percentage of Israeli's citizens - along with near the rest of the world.

Look at this whole narrative you started with - where did that come from ? This was fed to you via propaganda.. and there is no shortage of it.

Frick and Frack - if Iran was to really start supplying - and Hezbollah started using avanced technological weapons - the situation would be a whole lot more complicated - in a big hurry. These weapons are not a joke. .. and they can't be stopped.

The easiest thing to shoot down is some slow moving rocket moving on a predictable trajectory - and even some of these slip through.

 

I really want to hope that Biden will turn back the illegal acts of Trump ... I am talking about an international law that the US has significantly initiated, what the US has signed and where the US requires every other country to act adhere to this international law! Conclusion: So the USA also has to adhere to this international law!

AND EVERYONE ... ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE who denies that says in the same breath that the USA is a rogue state!

 

Look, when you get kids throwing stones at tanks you have to wonder. Standing behind them
are journalists and Hamas 'soldiers' - often with guns in hand. Hamas can be lethal when it wants
to be (rockets, RPG's, AK47's, hand grenades, landmines, patrol boats, naval frogmen, incendiary
devices, knives, attack tunnels, drones etc..)
I know you don't seriously believe Israel would bring down an apartment because some Jihadi walked
passed it.
In a sense there IS a real asymmetry - it's where seven million Israeli Jews are opposed by 423 million
Arabs and about 1.8 billion Muslims worldwide. And the Arabs, holding 99.9% of the Middle East have
lost their minds over some Jews wanting their ancient homeland back.

 

I could start a discussion now about who started the whole BS including historical stuff going back to ancient times! Just ... that doesn't work at all, just an endless discussion without any result. The fact is that all too often Israel does not turn an eyelid when it comes to so-called coleteral damage! There are enough proven incidents for this ... as well as for many Israeli measures that are against all international law, but all nicely justified with the ridiculous "manslaughter argument" war against terror.

Let's just take the illegal settlement construction by the Israelis ... suddenly an Israeli settlement is being built overnight on a Palestinian’s land! For years the Palestinian did not even have the right to take legal action against it, and even today only in theory, because hardly an Israeli court will pass a judgment that the Sieflers should disappear etc. ... and even if they do, the Israeli police and that The military won't do anything here, and certainly not with politicians like the current government!

Is that OK with you, fair, and rule of law? Isn't Palestinian anger justified here?
Why does the US, as the oldest democracy in the world and self-proclaimed guardian of the rule of law, support such an injustice here? Can you even take the USA seriously if all this is just an empty phrase at the end?

No, I am not defending HAMAS, they are all criminals for me. And of course Israel has the right to defend itself and also to shoot back if someone attacks it ... that is not the question! It's about proportionality. Why is it for example OK, or just a shrug worth, when Israeli bulldozers flatten a suicide bomber's house and leave the whole family homeless?
Can we start doing the same thing with the house and the relatives of the perpetrator after the next mass shooting in the USA or the next rampage at a school. It does not work? Why not? Just ... because of the law!
And the funny thing is, this israeli measure is also illegal under israeli law! But nobody cares ... nor in Israel and not even in the USA!

 

It's time for the US to withdraw from the Middle East. It's time for the US to end our relationships with all those kleptocracies, and especially with Israel, our client-state from Hell.

 

Way past time but I think American Christian Zionists will not give up - they believe they have Armageddon in the bag now.

That being said there has been speculation that given that the UK is moving to electric only cars by 2030 and the US will not be much behind, the chances of the US and UK being interested in the ME is likely to disintegrate. That said it is not impossible that by that time Israel will have established herself as ruler of the area.

 

Sadly, Israel has a grip on the American imagination and it will likely be able to continue to milk the relationship for benefits that go far beyond what they can offer to the US national interest (which is very little, if indeed they are not a net liability). It's not a coincidence that the Likud and the GOP have alike drifted in the direction of Authoritarianism, Faction and Fascism; in crucial ways they have encouraged it in one another. If ONLY the Democrats would adopt as adversarial a posture towards Israel, as the GOP has been enabling.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again - by protecting Israel, America protects peace in the world.

Was it not for the military and economic aid to Israel, first idiot Muslim country trying something funny with Israel, would get a nuke lobed up its stupid ass!

 

What would be an even-handed policy to you, like proportionate attention according to the landholdings (Arabs 98.5% and Israel 1.5%)? So that 98.5% of aid and attention goes to Muslim countries, and 1.5% of aid goes to Israel?

Would that be fair? Seems fair to me...