Boris Johnson wins contest to be United Kingdom’s new prime minister

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  1. free man

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    So you agree with what I wrote. Only the commition decides on the rules. The parliament can veto a rule the commition defined. As for the council, it is not an ellected body, so I dont care.
    In the last 10 years parliament vetoed 0.8% of the legislative rules and the council 0.2%.
    Even in communist russia under stalin you had better odds.
    The system is rigged.
     
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    The council are the elected heads of government of the EU States.
    The commission will work out the rules/laws/regulations and than present them for vote in the parliament and council.
    Parliament can work out its own rules/regulations/laws and present them to the commission, which than can have its input and than has to represent to the parliament and the commission
    Mind you the parliament, votes on the commission, installing and recalling, it oversees its work.
    But naturally it can not recall, vote of no confidence, impeach for any run of the day reason. There are rules of reason for it.
    So basically the EU works as any other country of the EU, parliament, Senate ( council ) and administration and EU court. Every 5 years Parliament and Commission are voted in. Depending on the voting cycles of the countries of the EU, the members of the council get voted in.
    Were is the tyranny.

    The quota of how many laws/regulations were voted down is not an indicator.
    The German Government has been for years a coalition government, very few of its laws, proposed to the parliament and Senate have failed.
    The German Senate is made of the Governors of the States, representing 4 parties, with all the different interests. Good law making takes that into account.
    Look at the EU parliament, 28 countries, over 700 Reps and of my head 10 to 15 parties. Try to get a majority in that mess. Good law making does the trick and than you have to get the ok by 28 heads of state, which are constantly fighting with each other.
    I call that very sensitive work, not tyranny.
     
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    A lot of truth in that. LBJ didn't listen about Vietnam and we got Nixon. Liberals under Clinton and Obama abandoned working class Americans, so they turned to Trump. Now,Trump isn't listening to Americans on healthcare...
     
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    I am not a US citizen, but I have been a small business man for 30 years in the US. I would have voted for Obama, really liked what he wanted to do. Could not have voted for Clinton, neither Trump. The Dems lost me, because there is nothing in it for the middle class, just fringe or minorities. Biden, ok, Kasi yes. Common sense people, like Hick.
    But they are common sense people, boring not good for a casting show, reality show, kindergarten.
    The Dem debates on TV, as stupid as it gets.
    Who is watching that crap.
    But that is the level in the US and apparently in the UK politics have reached and the clowns win.
     
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    Too much money is going to the top in the US and UK. The folks are getting restless.

     
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    I agree. My family was till end of WWII way up there, some still are. Grandfather and Grandgrand had the imperial monopoly to cloth the Emperors troops. That's a license to print money, especially if you get paid in gold marks.
    Naturally they had their hands in everything, were sitting on every board of director possible, Reichsbank till 43.
    Emperor, Hitler, forget about it, those were the people who actually had the power, because they held the purse and made insane amounts of money, not paper, but in gold.
    The end of WWII level the field got leveled, some, but now we are back to those times, not just the UK and US and the left overs of my families empire, they are very quiet, just do what they always have done, purse and strings, you even can not google them. They do not exist on the net or in the news.
    Tja.
     
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    I do not think so, the wealth that is behind that currency, in the Euro countries will just keep it going, like the Dollar.
     
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    Boris is an empty suit. Brexit is a disaster. The UK will never recover from this nightmare.
     
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    That’s a bold statement for a country that existed for over 1,000 years.
     
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    Prime ministers/presidents usually act totally different once at the top of the tree. I prefer to give Boris a chance to kick start the UK. I read Churchill made huge blunders before WW2 and his reputation in the end was way up there.
     
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    Some countries may stick with the Euro while others may drop the Euro.
     
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    Assuming Brexit happens.
     
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    The parliament cannot bring any rule to a vote. Only the commotion can. Your straw-man suggestion here have merit as if I worked on a law and gave it to the commission.
    Also Assad called it very sensitive work when 99% of the Syrian people voted for him and Qaddafi and Kim Junk-Un as well. In fact very few dictators could manage 99.8% of the votes at their best.
    The commission is so much better than them in getting approved.
    We should change the name to "the Commission Union of European" or in Russian: "the Soviet Union of Europe".
     
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    Boris's premiership is also a good thing for Israel and just a fun thing to watch.
     
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    How you think about the current developments? The EU dismissed Johnson. EU commissioner Barnier said there wont be any changes to the contract.

    Johnson is weak and the EU knows that. The UK parliament voted that they dont want a no deal brexit. Johnson has his own coalition partner against him, DUP wants no" no deal".

    So for us its best to sit and wait and see his government fall apart.
     
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    UK parliament does not want a no deal Brexit, but it will happen if they don’t approve a deal. Johnson doesn’t have to do anything for Brexit to happen. The mechanism was already put in motion and if Britain doesn’t ask for extension in October the U.K. will be out. No need for U.K. lawmakers to pass anything.
     
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    Also, wanted to add about backtop regarding Ireland - I think everyone makes a much bigger deal out of the issue than it really is. You can have a real border and you can make passing it very fast and simple process. I drove through US-Canada border twice. It was a fast and easy process. When I did it in Detroit there was a traffic that delayed me by about 1.5 hours, but there were fast lanes for locals who were just zipping through and bypassed the border traffic. I also once entered Germany by mistake during a flyover - I went the wrong way by mistake, germans at the booth asked for my passport (asked the purpose of my visit to Germany to which I said that I’m going to Chicago), stamped it and told me to keep going. Then I realized I’m in Germany when I literally exited the airport. Going back inside into the airport was just another 10 minutes.

    So. If done right, a hard border would not be a problem for law abiding travelers.
     
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    We hope so. So far we can be very pleased about tge situation. Chaos there and political turmoil.

    They wont get a new deal. Since Johnson gas a weak support base we simply watch him fail

    Johnso
     
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    You were lucky. The officers in charge could have very easily ruined your day. :)
     
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    How would they ruin my day?
    They already screwed up because they should have told me that I went the wrong way.
     
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    Thats not how things work here. You are responsible for yourself.

    It depends on how i feel. If i dont want bother my time with you, i ssk you few questions, stamp and send you away. If my shift just started and i want avoid to check pax i would pull you out and give you the full program.
     
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    I think that guy was lazy - when I answered to his question about the purpose of my trip that I’m going home to Chicago he looked at me as if I was an idiot stamped my passport and told me to keep going.
    That was the shortest stay in any country in my life - about 15-20 minutes. Two stamps (in-out) in my passport are a proof to that. :)

    It also proves that crossing a border when no visa is required in pretty much equivalent countries can be very easy. So easy that one can cross it by mistake. :) Border between Ireland and U.K. could be like a border between US and Canada.
     
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    So you agree for free travel for EU citizens into UK. UK basicly stays in EU just without voting rights. Thats ok
     
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    Visa free travel does not imply one country is a subservient to another. Visa free travel just means that two countries have similar understanding in security and have similar economies, which prevents mass migration from one country to another.
    According to your logic the EU is part of the US because of visa free regime.
     
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    There are controls when we entet USA. We wont accept controls while entering UK.
     

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