Boris Johnson wins contest to be United Kingdom’s new prime minister

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    Well he’s touring the country splashing money about like its going out of fashion. Hope there’s some left for a No Deal exit.
     
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    Wow, lots of reactivated sockpuppet accounts tonight...
     
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    Doing an end run around Ireland is not to be tolerated :rolleyes:

    https://news.yahoo.com/british-pm-johnson-tells-eu-105412223.html
    British PM Johnson tells EU: ditch the backstop
    or there will be no-deal Brexit


    MANCHESTER, England, July 27 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson cautioned the European Union on Saturday that the Irish backstop, which he said was undemocratic and divisive, needed to be ditched if they were to strike a Brexit divorce deal.

    "If we get rid of the backstop whole and entire then we are making a lot of progress," Johnson said, when asked if it is was only the Irish border backstop that he wanted changed.

    He added that he had "very friendly relations" with EU leaders.

    "The approach of the UK government is not going to be disengaged or aloof or waiting for them to come to us: we are going to try to solve this problem and we are going to do it in a spirit of friendship and cooperation."

    "But we can't do it as long as that anti-democratic backstop, that backstop that seeks to divide our country, divide the UK, remains in place," he said. "We need to get it out and then we can make progress, I think."




    Isn't it great to witness decisive leadership? :woot:


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    Don't :flagcanada:ize, :flagus:
    nor Britain.
     
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    Full steam ahead and damn the torpedoes!
     
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    Better than all those,
    We Dare Not,
    What If
    scenarios.


    And don't try do an end run around to Ireland neither.
     
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    Historically the English, well especially the English establishment has always despised Ireland and the Irish. The genocide practiced by invading English is similar to the genocide practiced by European immigrants to America and Australia. 17.4 million people voted that the UK breaks an International Treaty that the UK played a big part in brokering, and that seriously vile Prince of Darkness Prime Minister the UK now has is loving it. Boris Johnson has described Ireland as 'the tail wagging the dog' and he thinks he can ride out any terrorism and bloodshed that his attitude towards the Irish will engender.
    The only hope is to constantly remind him of the Treaty, history, his duty, and hope he will pull back from the brink, I doubt it though, the UK establishment is now ramping up 'operation blame' where bad things will be the fault of the Irish or the EU. The European Union is incidentally far more democratic in it's structure than the UK.
     
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    That is unlikely to get the support of the US.
     
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    I am glad to read that, however (and don't take this the wrong way) in the brexit debate the opinion of the US has hardly featured.
    OK there is some vague hope that all lost trade with the EU will be replaced by trade with the US, but only the extreme nutcases over here believe that, The UK angle on the UK brexit debate is more about US medical companies muscling in on the NHS, and the US exporting chlorinated chicken and other foodstuffs that would not be approved this side of the Atlantic.
    Leaving the finances aside though, if the US were to support the Irish republic from a moral and diplomatic standpoint that would be a positive, but because there is a bit of a love in between racist Nigel Farage (no realistic political power, just a big mouth) and racist Boris Johnson and Donald Trump I think the Irish would be doubtful about getting meaningful support from the US.
     
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    Sorry philosophical I gave you the wrong impression, I am from Scotland. I know earlier when it became clear the hard right were interested in a hard Brexit even if that resulted in renewed violence in NI and indeed that they did not mind if the UK completely ended - that is a United Ireland and Scottish Independence, it came up that they would probably shoot themselves in the foot, given they hope for this big deal with the US. Though come to think of it possibly with Trump and the craziness there is in politics throughout the west, that might not matter now.
     
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    Alexa I love Scotland absolutely deeply. Can you imagine a controlled border along the old Hadrians wall boundary, because that is where the UK is heading?
    A lot of the English right wing would be cool with that sadly.
     
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    But come on, you have now a great decisive leader, following the foot steps of Churchill and Thatcher, you will get your country back, the Empire reborn, side by side ( three steps behind ) with the US, the evil Soviet Union of Europe will be destroyed.
    True freedom will rule the world, glorious times ahead.
     
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    Freedom does not exist.
    Restraints, restrictions and controls do.
    I refer the right honourable lady or gentleman to the work of Jean-Jaques Rousseau.
     
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    Oh they may survive less Scotland and Northern Ireland but it won't be the UK as we know it if they leave with a no deal.
     
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    I hope it does not but given the politics today, it is very likely to occur with no-deal.
     
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    Boris is nothing but a blowhard much like Trump. Both men are ill suited for the jobs they have and both men will lie as long as the people buy the lies. In the case of Boris, he has no negotiating power and a clock ticking. This will not end well for the people of the UK.
     
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    Pure speculation. Such speculation is understandable based on past character and actions but I think he deserves a chance. We'll known in 12 months
     
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    He does not 'deserve a chance', he must deal with the political situation in terms of numbers, which will add up to a probable one vote majority in Parliament, with the probability that he loses on his flagship policy which is to abandon the peace process in Ireland.
    I suspect it may be sooner than 12 months that the world knows if Johnson has won his victory against the peace process or lost it.
     
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    Boris uses the force.

     
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    As EU previously stated, even if Scotland were to split off, they’d have to go through the process of joining the EU that all other countries went through, meaning they would need to have stable GDP, currency and economy. Considering the fact that Scottish politicians don’t seem to take into account the cost of independence (like having true military) and assumption of a portion of shared debt, they might be in for a nasty surprise. Also, don’t forget that Scotland didn’t rule itself did over 300 years.
    Splitting off can be a real road to hell, not EU.

    Also, I seriously doubt the U.K. government will allow another vote for independence till things have stabilized after Brexit.
     
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    The UK government may change.
     

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