Brilliant pro-life arguments!

I already acknowledged that the unborn exhibit parasitic behaviors. But anyway, this is not important. The important thing is that the unborn is not considered to be a true parasite by the scientific community. Do you dispute this?

It doesn't mean that. When a miscarriage happens, the cause behind it is (most likely) the uterus, that contracts by itself and then expels the unborn. The woman has no part in this, nor does she control any of this. She did not make a conscious decision to kill neither did she play any active part in the death of the unborn.

Now we are getting into the realm of science. I have little training in science, however I believe it is possible to distinguish between a natural miscarriage and an induced miscarriage. In the former, the woman did not do anything. In the latter, she actively took part in causing the miscarriage.

But it is not a mere opinion.

I never said I wanted to make abortion a crime. Why do yo make stuff up?

I know I have argued about rights but its actually not a "main" part of my position.

How about you actually answer my question instead of posting more snark?

 

I noticed that you are utterly incapable of answering my question of why being a person is so important.

 

Why should I when YOU claim """""All that talk about whether beliefs should be rational or not is of no real interest to me"""

Then you ask for rational answers???? Hilarious.....


I'll humor you ….being a legal person is important because then the person has rights....

I can't believe that has to be explained....sheesh..

 

Why is a ZEF so important?

 

So you want to give someone rights, and that's why you made him a legal person?

You should not answer a question with another question.

 

You should not answer a question with no answer, but that seems your M.O.

 

Your "question" was not a legitimate one. It was just a device to dodge my original question. This is why I did not answer it. If you really want to know why I think ZEFs are important, start a new thread.

 

You asked me no question and your dodge is noted, but not surprising.

 

I love the way you made up the definition of a parasite. If you think of fetus is not parasitic then remove it and see how it does it is totally dependent on the woman’s body.
you say nobody can dictate to you what definition to use so you create your own definitions and want us to accept them.

 

True, I did not ask you that question. And that's because I wasn't even addressing you. You jumped into the middle of the exchange with an illegitimate question and then whined when I rightly refused to answer it.

If you really want to ask me why I think ZEFs are important, you can always start a new thread. As long as your question is sincere, I will do my best to answer it.

I am not the one who decides that the unborn are not parasites. It's the scientific community and the relevant authorities who decided that. In fact if you go consult any authoritative scientific literature on biology and look under the heading of "parasites", you will NOT find the human fetus listed there.

 

You will also fail to find it under person.

 

By definition they are parasites. As I said I am sure the medical profession has another term for it but I am not sure what it is

 

So would you allow a parasite to feed off your own body causing you harm and the risk of death? Yes or no?

The definition of manslaughter includes unintentional harm but there is still a death involved. Either you support your drivel that abortion equals murder or you don't. In this instance it looks like you just reneged on your own position.

There is no physical or medical evidence to distinguish between a natural and an induced miscarriage. So that just leaves you with torturing women who have had miscarriages into "admitting" that they induced their miscarriage. Otherwise you are just going to have to allow women to induce miscarriages at will and you won't be able to prosecute them for "murder" because you have no evidence.

By your own admission it is your uninformed opinion.

You have clearly stated that you consider abortion to be equal to murder and since murder is a crime then that would make abortion a crime too. Either you deal with the consequences of your own position or you forfeit them. Are you now giving up on your position that abortion equals murder?

Making abortion into a crime violates the rights of women. If you want to take this position you need to address the violation of women's rights.

Because if you want to participate the onus is entirely on you to learn the subject matter otherwise you will just come across as uninformed and merely spouting your baseless opinion.

 

No, but the fetus is not a parasite. It is our young. We have a moral duty to care for our young, and this includes not killing it as it is developing in the womb. Shocking, isn't it?

Lol, calling my posts "drivel". I see that you are emotionally invested in this topic.

I am not sure what you are trying to get at. Most women know whether they caused it (as in, choosing to abort), or that it just happened by itself (miscarriage). Nobody would be "tortured". I don't know why you used such hyperbolic language to convey a non-point.

Except I don't want to make abortion a crime. Please stop making things up.

Thanks for your concern but I think I will take care of myself quite well in this discussion.

 

Actually the fetus is a parasite by definition..it lives off the body of the woman you can’t kill something that isn’t alive

 

Parasites are usually of a different species than the host.

 

Not true.. it is something that lives off something else.

 

I am not the one who decides whether something is a parasite or not. The scientific community do. And they say the unborn is not a parasite.

 

You are calling abortion murder which is a crime so stop trying to evade your own words.

Furthermore it is patently obvious that you are the one is is emotionally invested in this topic because you are using fallacious terms like "unborn" and "murder".

So let's cut to the chase and present you with a scenario.

A pregnant women is dying because her fetus is killing her. Only one of them can survive in this scenario so either way one of them has to be "murdered" per your definition. Either she has an abortion or she dies. Which one are you prepared to "murder"? The woman or the fetus?

 

The fetus, of course. Not sure what point you are trying to make, though.

 

So even though you are allegedly opposed to murder you would murder the fetus is what you have just conceded in that scenario, right?

Why would you murder the fetus and not the woman?

 

You are correct, YOU do not determine what is or isn't parasitic.

Where has the 'scientific community " commented on whether a fetus is a parasite or not?

The fetus has a parasitic relation with the woman it's in....it lives off her body.....it is a parasite.

 

I am not against all forms of murder. Just most of them.

Because I had to choose one over the other. However, in most cases of abortion, the life of the woman is not in peril.

If you want, you can ask any biology professor whether a fetus is a parasite or not.

Yes the fetus exhibits parasitic behaviors, however it is not considered to be a parasite.

If you want so badly to claim that the unborn are parasites, you will have to provide proof, instead of just asserting things.

 

OMG! You approve of murder ?!

Why don't you? I know it is...

Uh, parasitic behaviour means it's a parasite...

Why don't YOU prove that a fetus does not need the woman's body to sustain it's life?

I can prove it does because it has to be in a woman, attached to her, to sustain it's life.

You are contending that it can be taken out and left to grow on it's own....and it can't.