Brunei to Punish Adultery and Gay Sex With Death by Stoning

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Ehm ... I'm no Brit ... I'm a Kraut!

    And nice that we have with all these evil Muslims in my country, including these allegated hordes of raping and robbering refugees and with a strict weapon law which prevents that every dumbass runs around with a gun ... a far better and safer life as you!

    BuuuuHaaaa!
     
  2. ModCon

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    I reserve the right to ask kindly that you stick to the topic and avoid derailing the thread.

    Good day sir!
     
  3. Daniel Light

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    <Mod Edit> I didn't say they did stone gay people.
     
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  4. ArchStanton

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    My apologies....you're even worse off than I thought. You've got such strict laws that you have 'no go' Muslim zones in Berlin, for example.

    I'll take my **** life here in Texas and I just may clean my Glocks and ARs today.
     
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    It's as if you didn't read your own opening statement.
     
  6. ModCon

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    Gay sex and adultry is now punishable by death by stoning in Brunei, theft punishable by cutting off hands. It even applies to foreigners. Now, today, in 2019. How do you feel about that Daniel?
     
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    Apparently you didn't read my first post where I condemned it.
    Just like I have condemned threads on these boards from some Christians that sought to prevent gay people from being able to marry or hold certain jobs or who sought to disrespect their military service.
     
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  8. ModCon

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    Ok, thank you.
     
  9. markjs

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    No, your general idiocy and hypocrisy is entertainment enough.
     
  10. markjs

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    Yeah well your kids could be drinking lead water and guys like you would be screaming how much we need further "de-regulation" and "abolish the EPA".
     
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    Also notably hilarious how you don't get that it's religion as a whole that is the problem, it's not specific to a branch of it.

    Christianity pretends to be "Peaceful" but that's just the face they like to show, nothing could be farther from true.
     
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    The left are not here to make sense of Islam, gays, racism etc. They are just trying to destroy this nation so they can say how the US Constitution just didn't work and it's dated, capitalism didn't work and now they swoop in with their new and improved version of socialism and away we go. Feminized males, a brainwashed society of victims or predators, disarm us and then create laws of what we can say, do, how we can think and act, mandatory or banned, and they will rule with the guns they told us they despised.
     
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    I think its extreme prison terms for sexually practicing homosexuals is more than adequate with therapy to fix the issue when these sorts are young to behave properly. I would also be happy with banishing them and letting them migrate to another country to get rid of them. As for cutting off hands and feet for thieves and stoning adulterers well no issues there as well as other crimes. Its not my country and what someone does in another country is that nations business if you don't like it don't go there or on their planes or on their ship if you mind offend there laws.

    And Christianity is at least in the West overly tolerant you keep your perversions to yourself and out of sight there was no big problems but you aren't happy with that you want to defile children and the public with this GLBTM agenda they want to keep their nation safe from things that would undermine it and well its Draconian by some standards but not under Sharia Law.
     
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    Different countries have different values. We're not all the same, not even deep inside. And some of those values are so at odds with ours that we shouldn't want them here.
     
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    True. They show far more animus towards Americans who think that homosexuality and homosexual marriage are perversions that should be shunned, effectively hurting their feelings, than they show for those who actually throw them off buildings, chop them up and stone them to death in the dirt. Moderation is a stranger to the homosexual mind set.
     
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    LoL.

    Here comes the part where leftists go:

    1. Why does America allow this country to do this? America should stop this!

    2. America goes into the country to stop it. Leftists cry and scream "white imperialism"! "Yankee go home!" "Leave those poor innocent people alone!".

    3. Leftists demand 100k Brunei immigrants per year.
     
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    You have only laid the foundation for the rest of the story in which Christianity and basic human rights in freedom allow for the enlargement of the soul. Can you find an equal argument for Islam?
     
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    Well, the mean old racist white guys tried to beat jesse smollett’s brains out in chicago

    CNN said so
     
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    Many Americans would secretly like the same law applied to gays and adulterers (the Bible is a lovely book!). And as for amputation, it definitely works as a deterrent, resulting in zero thefts, oh, and it does not apply to theft of essential items such as food.
     
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    And you wonder why the Germans were so easily taken over by a dictator?
     
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    Kind of an uncheckable argument. I love how every arguments about Islam end to be : "but christian in USA".

    1) An evil doesn't excuse another.
    2) Your argument is pure speculation.

    Anyway, I don't deny the right of Brunei to execute homosexuals if they want, that's their own territory, and if they prefer shariah to human rights, again that's their right, but it show the madness of the pro islam/pro LGBT left.
     
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    A few points. First is that conflating Islamists with all Muslims and all interpretations of Islam is logical fallacy. Not all Muslims believe in Sharia and not all sects within Islam believe in or practice sharia. The problem is that a fairly big majority does.

    We need to shoot our arrows straight to win this battle = no logical fallacy - false logic.

    The Islamist ideology is the problem. It is the belief that one is justified in forcing religious or personal beliefs on others through Physical Violence (Law) that is the problem.

    The Islamist has no respect for - and in fact "hates" essential liberty. They hate "Secularism" - Separation of Church and State.

    Why is this wrong ? Do we not force our personal beliefs on others through law all the time ? Why not on the basis of religion ?

    Keep in mind we are talking essential liberty here - not all of law. Rights end where the nose of another begins ... the ability to murder someone is not essential liberty - anything that involves direct harm - one person on another (murder rape theft and so on) has nothing to do with essential liberty.

    Western Democracy was founded on the principle of respect for individual liberty. The Declaration of Independence outlines the principles by which law and the Constitution are to be interpreted. One of the main principles is that "Individual liberty is ABOVE - the legitimate authority of Gov't".

    Gov't is to have no legitimate authority - of its own volition - to make "any law" that messes with essential liberty - never mind one based on religious belief.

    The second principle in the DOI is that the authority of Gov't comes from "consent of the Governed" . as opposed to "divine right"/God.

    Now Brunei can come up with its own form of Gov't - but this does not mean we have to agree with it.

    The problem is this disregard for essential liberty. We need to start calling out this for what it is - EVIL - regardless of whether it is based on religious or personal belief. This is then not a religious test - it is a moral test.

    Do unto others as you would have done to you " The Golden Rule". This rule is part of the basis for our system of Gov't, this rule is the rock on which Jesus based his teachings, and - believe it or not - even the Quran upholds this rule.

    This Rule was in Hamurrabi's law code - so it goes at least as far back as 1800 BC. Confucius and Buddha stated this rule as does Classical Liberalism (not to be confused with the modern term Liberal).

    So then - if you do not want someone else forcing their personal and/or religious beliefs on you through physical violence - then do not do the same to others.

    If you don't like Alcohol - Don't Drink. There is a difference between 1) having a belief and 2) forcing that belief on others.

    The question of a referendum is not "do you like alcohol". The question is "do you have sufficient justification to force that belief on others through physical violence"

    "Consent of the Governed" is one legitimate justification. This BTW is not 50+1 or Simple Majority Mandate (that some Politician managed to get elected). This is considered "Tyranny of the Majority" in both Republicanism and Classical Liberalism.

    The Bar is "overwhelming consent" .. at least 2/3rds majority. The point being is that if some activity is viewed as so harmful and offensive to society - that Gov't should be given power to punish - an overwhelming majority will agree. If you can not achieve this - then the activity is obviously not viewed as that harmful or that offensive by enough people to merit that power.

    Again - if you don't want someone else forcing their beliefs on you - don't do the same to others. Belief in freedom is not belief in freedom - only for things one agrees with - everyone believes in that. Belief in freedom is belief in freedom for things one disagrees with.

    So that is one "legitimate" justification - overwhelming consent.

    What is not a valid justification is "I don't like it" - so what? this does not even answer the question as it gives no valid justification. If we made laws against everything some individual does not like - skiing would be banned, driving cars, eating meat .. you name it.

    If one does not like alcohol - don't drink. That one does not like alcohol personally is not justification to force others (through physical violence) to abstain.

    Another invalid justification is "God says so". Prove it. Sure one can believe they know what God things - but - there is a difference between 1) having a belief and 2) being able to prove that one's belief is true and 3) forcing that belief on others through physical violence.

    The Islamist is thus EVIL from the perspective of Western Political Thought - having no respect for individual liberty - and should be treated as such on this basis. Islamist's -those that have this ideology -should not be allowed to immigrate into this country.

    If the founding principle is - respect for individual liberty- why on earth would we let individuals in that hate this principle ? Not that this is not a religious test - this is an ideological test. I don't care what your religion, color or race is - If you want to force your beliefs on me through physical violence without legitimate justification - you are a piece of human garbage in my books.

    Second the Islamist is evil from a Moral perspective. The above is a direct violation of the Golden Rule. The Islamist does not want Christians and Atheists forcing their personal beliefs on him through physical violence - why then does he think it is OK to do this to others ?

    This is the basis for the social contract as described in classical liberalism = If one man says to another - If you agree not to kill me or my family - I will agree not to kill you or yours.

    The participants in this contract are then said to have a "Moral Obligation" to uphold their end of the contract. If you want the other side to hold up their end of the contract - not kill you or your family - then you have a moral obligation to hold up your end of the contract - not kill him or his family.

    One does not have to ramble all this out to shoot one's arrows straight. One does however have to address the specific ideology that is the root cause of the problem - without engaging in fallacy = The Islamist hates essential liberty - believes in Sharia. Not every Muslim believes in Sharia so it is unfair to tar all Muslims with the same brush - and logical fallacy - a violation of the Golden Rule and the Rule of Law.

    Do you like it when someone accuses you of the action of another ? Of course not - then don't do this to others.
    Rule of Law - one person is not to be punished for the actions of another.

    The problem of not shooting one's arrows straight is that we have Britain now bowing to Sharia - accepting Sharia as part - although not a codified part - of its legal system. Allowing Sharia courts among the Muslim community.

    We have members of Congress who are Muslims - but have never been questioned on whether or not they are Islamist - if they believe in Sharia.

    When we couch things in vague terms like "Islam" "Islam is Evil" The public is not educated on what specifically the evil is - and nor is this a valid argument as it gives no reasons for why Islam is evil. A valid argument consists of 2 things 1) statement of claim 2) valid justification for that claim.

    Argument: The Islamist is EVIL - because - this person has no respect for individual liberty and wants to force his religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law)

    This gets people thinking along the correct path.
     
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    you do realise what happened last time you went on a crusade right?

    allow me, some white dude and his army completely obliterated you off the ["middle east"] map for such impudence

    let that though marinate..
     
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    Do those who practice Christianity still regularly practice and abide by such standards to this very day?

    If not, then there is no comparison to be made.
     
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    maybe not but islam is a few centuries behind christianity so give them time and then we can judge.
     

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