Burger flippers demanding $15/hr

Nobody complains about grossly overpaid executives who bankrupt companies for some reason, and many of those executives get golden parachutes that pay them millions for failing, true. The same bankers that caused the current Depression are still in business and getting huge bonuses today. However, neo-liberal Democrats have enthusiastically embraced the same system, and they also supported the same 'globalist' policies that shipped high productivity jobs to labor racketeering police state cesspools like Mexico and Red China as well. Bill Clinton is a prime representative of the same hatred for working people Democrats have.

Most of those on food stamps are working; America's largest employer's new employee orientation includes instructions on how to get on various welfare programs.

True, but the Democratic Party is no different, and in fact worse in some policies.

Again true, but Palin is no more clueless than Hillary or any other elitist brahmin.

 

As for the OP, raising minimum wage to $15, or a more accurate reflection of inflation to around $16.75 isn't going to raise the cost a hamburger to '$10', that's nonsense. Costs have gone up when wages are stagnant and even declining; labor costs aren't driving inflation. At most raising minimum wage to $15 will increase the cost of an item on Mickey D's dollar menu with a $1 dollar drink thrown in about 12 cents, and the cost goes down with larger orders. Burger might indeed go up to '$10', but it won't be because of raising the minimum wage. Some of you people should take an accounting class instead of just repeating idiotic stuff you read at Town Hall or Free Republic.

 

Some of the Evil Rich are even concerned about how ridiculously low wages are now, at least those who are Americans and have provided real jobs for people, unlike a Mitt Romney and his record of business strategies at Bain of bankrupting something like half the companies his firm 'restructured', and doesn't keep his money in this country, even though 'private equity' firms get a taxed at less than half the rates companies that actually produce something and contribute to creating jobs are taxed at. Neither Democrats nor Republicans are going to do squat about that, they'll just feed their muppets dumb nonsense on how we need illegal immigration and how some part time worker having to get food stamps is the problem or something and their respective Hive drones will dutifully run around mindlessly regurgitating the BS.

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2...hanauer-reducing-income-inequality/transcript

 

Why not? I don't eat that crap anyway.

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That's funny when you read it a second time.

 

An increase in labor costs leads management to incentivize automation. It happened in the car manufacturing business. Why pay a guy $25 an hour, medical/dental/vision benefits, sick leave, vacation time, a pension...to tighten a lug nut, or spot weld; when you can program a machine to do the same job. Machines don't require a pension fund.

What will happen with $15 an hour fast food workers is incentivize the development of machines that can replace human beings in this industry.

It's already going on folks.

Wake up and smell the coffee, so to speak.

 

what? Every left winger here goes on and on endlessly about the "greedy CEO's".

 

you are correct. I recently saw something about a couple of burger joints which have started using a new burger cooking / flipping gizmo of some sort.

 

It's been going since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, so that's no news.

Yes, it's been going on for a long time, and has squat to do with minimum wage rates. It's even going in countries like Viet Nam and Red China, where workers earn around 15 cents an hour after there checks get banged for such things as taking a leak, wiping their nose, whatever penalties can be dreamed up by corporate managers.

Yes, but I doubt many will smell the right cup.

 

So? The main problem for fast food joints is over-saturation and dwindling customer bases, not minimum wage rates. They can automate to the max, and many of them are still going to go out of business, even if their labor costs are zero.

 

Don't know that $15 an hour is realistic.

But I would ask some of the conservatives posting here - just when did it become un-American to ask for a raise?

 

Right wingers don't; they actually believe some dork in the front office produces $500 million worth of something entirely on his own, for some reason, even if he's just bankrupting the joint through stupidity and incompetence, and then runs around crying about having to pay his secretary $8 an hour, or an assembly line worker 10 cents a day. It's ridiculous, but there is a whole PR industry built around peddling the BS that it's those poor people making too much money that's ruining the economy.

 

would that be a bad thing, 99 cent hamburgers are not doing society well

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if people wanted food from a vending machine they would just go to their break-room at work

 

Just one question: Why?

 

But you just said "nobody" talks about the greedy CEO's of major corporations. What is it?

 

Excellent idea, price those burgers so fewer people buy them! That way the government doesn't have to regulate soda cups. But wait there's more! Fresh, I want you to put your thinking cap on real tight and tell me what's going to happen to all those $15/hr. burger flippers when people buy fewer and fewer burgers which will do society good as you say...

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Is t the left trying to put fast food joints out of business anwaybecause they promote unhealthy eating habits?

 

I believe

YOU work 40 hours a week, employed in America,
YOU should be able to live a Middle Class life.

Further, YOU work 40 years, YOU should be in some Pension Program beyond Social Security.
IRA / KEOGH was a Wall St. - Gov't scam, don'tchyaknow.
Boomers who put away their $2K a year have . . . . . unless they were investment mavins.

Jimmy Carter observed that the Middle Class today live like the Poor People of his administration.

Hard working people are renters, not home owners.
And the difference in the standard of living between the Working Poor and Welfare is getting too close.
The solution is not to reduce Welfare but to re-establish the American Dream of Hard Work and rewards.
And if that costs Mr. MacDonald an extra vacation home estate, No Apologies!

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph
Please scan the link and understand why -
MORE POWER TO THE BURGER FLIPPERS !


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Its never un-American to ask for a raise. If someone is making a claim like that they would be wrong.
But, and this is directed at you... throwing money at the problem isn't going to fix the issue. If the minimum wage is a 20$hr those making it would still be poor. The Swiss have some of the highest wages in the world, yet their cost of living is also on the top of the list. It doesn't matter, wages go up and so does the cost of living.

"The rent is too damn high!" That's the problem, that's what we should be discussing here. What can be done to reduce the inflation. How can we make those dollars we earn more valuable.

 

when we have that healthier society where no one is eating fast food, it will be something we will have to address at that time

don't hold your breath....

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Yes - I understand the pitfalls of inflation.

It's just that some who have posted in this thread seem to be outraged that these people would have the audacity to ask for a raise.
The Meek don't inherit the Earth - they get trampled in it.

 

When an orange cost less then a McDouble...

 

Considering the volume of chow sales McDonald's gets through, I don't see how such a minor pay increase could have that great an effect on prices.

Plus, they execs could always consider trimming a little up top, maybe spending 3 weeks instead of 4 in the Caribbean or opting for a smaller yacht.

 

I just got to wonder, is a full time job something that the right needs to be punishing right now?

Isn't the right supposed to be about lifting people up to the middle class if they are willing to work for it? Working full time seems to me like someone is trying to work for a living instead of living off of the system.

But the right just wants to knock them down over and over and over again. And then they wonder why people don't want to vote for them.

 

You don't think it would just put McDonalds at odds with their competitors? Is it really just McDonalds we are talking about? If it is they should all just quit and get jobs at these wonderful places that pay more to do the same work.

Seriously, you really think an executive would cut back? Have you ever met an executive? They are some of the most ruthless unforgiving people on the planet.

 

Where do you live ?

Here on the left coast you're lucky if your dealing with someone at McDonalds who speaks English. That's why you have to order by the numbers and hope they get it right.

Flipping burgers are suppose to be entry level jobs for teenagers not for someone who has to pay rent, feed a family or pay off a debt to the coyote who smuggled you over the border.