California Baptist pastor praises Orlando massacre

In 1776 we still had black African slaves in America.

 

Hey, do we have a list of atheist organizations helping out in Florida yet?

 

And?......

Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
WTF has 1776 in common with 2016?

Do we still have them now?

 

This might help you

https://www.facebook.com/sundayassemblyorlando

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A Humanist Response to the Orlando Tragedy
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We are sorry for our long silence following the Pulse Orlando shooting – our administrators were tied up working to empower individuals to make a meaningful difference in response to this tragedy through volunteerism and blood donorship.

We would like a moment of your time to share a Humanist perspective on this event with our friends and allies.

We are heartbroken for the victims, families, and communities devastated by this act of violence. We are here for you – for all of you. Our condolences and anything that we can do to help are offered to you.

Here are some thoughts for the Secular Americans and allies in our community.

BE. Action Oriented

In the wake of a disaster we wonder what we can do to help heal ourselves and those around us. We want to DO SOMETHING that adds good to the world and to those with whom we are connected. We see that we are connected to our community, and we seek ways to add value, positive impact, and to imprint our signature of kindness on those around us – and on those we don’t even know.

Donate Blood – or volunteer with OneBlood

OneBlood.org is our local blood donorship medical facility that coordinates blood drives in our community. They need your gift of life to preserve lives of the victims and to replenish the blood supply for local hospitals. They need people to volunteer at local drives and branch locations in support of the amazing outpouring of support from Central Floridians.

Blood will be needed throughout the coming weeks; please don’t let the enthusiasm dwindle. Consider donating in a week or two to ensure continued blood supply for ongoing surgeries of the victims and other patients. Make an appointment at OneBlood.org; appointments help OneBlood a great deal and also mean you don’t have to wait in line.

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Secular Community Blood Drive

We are working to coordinate a blood drive, vigil, and community support gathering in partnership with the Central Florida Freethought Community for our local secular and Humanist community. Please contact BEOrlando@live.com if you would like to help coordinate or visit us here on JustGottaBE.org for updates on the drive date, time, and location.

Just get involved, for Goodness’ Sake!

There is a surge of blood donors coming forward; but less than 50% of the adult population of the US is eligible to donate. Yes, donating blood is impactful, but there are other ways we can make a difference – in addition to, or in lieu of, donating blood.

Join BE. Orlando in our efforts to create and succeed in humanist community impact efforts in Central Florida. Or google search for volunteer opportunities – there are a million ways that you can make a difference. Please take your time, talents, and contribution potential and invest them in organizations that are making a positive difference – that is an AMAZING way you can be empowered to impact.

DONATE. In response to this tragedy, please consider Equality Florida and the Zebra Coalition for monetary donations.
People are individuals

Our thoughts and love go out to those impacted by this tragedy, including LGBTQ+ communities and Muslim communities. We remind everyone to value people as individuals and not make judgments based on appearances, myths, or assumptions.

We join in the thoughts of David Williamson of the Central Florida Freethought Community, who shared in a press release earlier today: “We are truly outraged by this senseless act of violence. The possible motivations of the perpetrator and the targeting of LGBTQ Americans only deepens the need for our community to come together. We strongly support our LGBTQ friends in grieving and urge those who are able to donate blood and other needed resources to begin the healing.”

STOP using the OFFENSIVE #PrayForOrlando hashtag

Please, stop spreading the hateful, marginalizing, devaluing message that normalizes the misconception that the religious community ONLY is valued, respected, and responsive during tragedies and emergencies.

We value ALL people, no matter their faith or non-faith perspective. #OneOrlando.
Many individuals in our community (24% overall, and 36% of our college-aged population) identify as non-religious, secular, or not affiliated with a religion. Don’t propagate hate against persons of non-faith and the myth that only people of faith care about the community during a tragedy.

Many people in our community find neither solace nor comfort in “prayer”. Many people in our community do not feel that to “pray” makes a meaningful difference; rather they feel that we should donate blood, volunteer, find active ways to make a real difference, human-to-human. Through acts of kindness, compassion, and community engagement we make a difference for everyone regardless of their faith or non-faith perspective.

Don’t promote one perspective to the exclusion of another when we should be standing shoulder-to-shoulder, together, in love, compassion, and solidarity.

#OneOrlando #PulseOrlando #PeaceforOrlando #OrlandoStrong

Somewhere to turn

YOU ARE NOT ALONE. If members of our secular and Humanist community need somewhere to turn, please contact us at BEOrlando@live.com. We are here for you, we are listening, and we can connect you with resources and people who can help.
https://beorlando.wordpress.com/2016/06/12/a-humanist-response-to-the-orlando-tragedy/

You know being arrogant, even in the name of Christianity, can sometimes make one look foolish.

 

When America took on the Barbary pirates we were buying and selling black African slaves.

 

Doesn't address my post :

Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

So in Christianity stirring up hate and causing mass murder isn't a sin ?

WOW!"""""





So you ignored what was in the post and you're saying it's OK for Christians to do this because someone else does.

 

No one can argue with that.

 

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

It's kinda a long list and I'm not sure they have included every single atrocity committed by the fine christian folk of planet earth... but If you are truly interested this list will get you started!!!

 

Actually, your whole narrative has been to overlook the fact that a Gay Democrat Muslim killed and wounded dozens of people while focusing your anger on an idiot who didn't.

 

Prove I overlooked something....I didn't.
But it was a nice leap from what I actually posted which is true:

Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

So you ignored what was in the post and you're saying it's OK for Christians to do this because someone else does.

 

Easily proven right now: Which one of the two is the more evil: The murdering Gay Muslim Democrat, or the idiot Christian pastor?

 

What a kind thing to do..........

 

So, since I showed that you have no proof that I overlooked anything you now move the goal posts to some new questions because YOU COULDN'T ADDRESS MY POST ....

 

I've looked over your posts and you've spent a great deal of time grousing about Christianity/Christians. The actual murderer and/or his specific ideaology/politics - not so much.

The fact that you couldn't answer a simple question - well, that actually DOES answer the question, doesn't it?

 

A pretty stupid question.
Now I'll see if he answered.

I say any who supports the mass killing should be condemned.

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They lack rationality. Hence the fear. Some think it will spread either to themselves or loved ones. Pretty f'n dumb and irrational, huh.

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This is in no way acceptance of what they did on 9/11. But they had a reason and it was moral to them. We've been meddling in their affairs since about WWII.

 

Well, you can condemn the pastor as he condemns homosexuals. If he is accurate, then you also are accurate.

Homosexuals come up with this fear theory. It may be true that some think what you said is true, but I believe by this time in my life, I understand that being homosexual is not the harm, only when they operate on that can it harm.

Keep in mind that homosexuals do, indeed maybe the number is not large, but they do prey on young men.

 

I have yet to hear of a church charging for funeral services.

What churches have fees for them?

 

I condemn the pastor for saying 'don't mourn for the dead', 'they deserved it'. Why did they deserve it?

Thanks for confirming the irrational fear.
One can not convert to homosexuality. But they could have homosexual sex or any other sex they like.

 

Right now, the idiot Christian pastor. The murderer is dead and is no longer evil.

 

This is a major reason I so dislike Christianity, Islam, Judaism....whatever, heavily religious people. Instead of being religious to themselves and communing with whatever version of God they believe in...they for some reason feel the need to scream from the highest mountain and make everyone else listen to it. Seriously....I do not care WHAT you believe in until you try to make me, and then my reaction is at times unpleasant.

 

Ha ha - hmm wait. No, you've got me there.

 

A non homosexual cringes to read your comments.

The people who actually fear homosexuals should stop wasting their time. I tell you today, I have yet, and I am 77, to fear any of you. You and I have been in the same bar and I did not fear you rubbing it off on me. But my poor dead brother, he attracted homosexuals like they found a new love. He probably indulged them. I don't know for a fact.

I believe this. I believe a homosexual man will go down on any man. Maybe he does not plan to convert them, but the poor homosexual can always hope.

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I try to confine my religion talks to what I know in my church. But never at any point would the reasonable person believe he is being forced.

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I really share no bond of any sort with the pastor. However even our founders spoke of the evil contained in being anti free speech.

I am sure Obama does not offend you. But that man sure offends me.

However that is his right. I never wish to strip him of his rights.

 

He is dead and can't harm. But what about his Muslim pals?

Very few pastors in the USA agree with the pastor from Sacramento, CA

 

I do not approve of what the pastor said. It was horrible timing and very insensitive, which in my opinion is the opposite of the message Jesus spent his life teaching. However, we all deserve it, not just gay people. They do not deserve it any more than the rest of us.

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So you despise them for acting like liberals?

 

That is a bit of a ludicrous statement. Gay men are attracted to some and not others, just like a heterosexual man. As a hetero man, would you have slept with any woman in your youth, or would you have required a modicum of attraction before you would consider it? If you would have slept with any woman that would allow you, then you were not normal. Normal men, gay or not, require attraction of some sort.