California city to experiment with 'universal basic income'

BTW, I am not saying you are morally wrong. Just completely ineffective.

 

Well, in the US there is an obesity epidemic....among the poor....so much for that.

 

Err, means one meal missed, and 12 hours causing a revolution. You are ignoring the principle. Hunger causes revolutions. Even if you are obese from eating sh!t.

 

So you are imagining revolutions? Sure, sure let us know when it happens chief.

 

So very true. I wonder if the "basic universal income" means Doctors, the Mayor and city managers get paid the same as a McDonald's burger flipper?

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" - Karl Marx

 

Only if America completely shafts the poor and stupid.

 

Give us some 'Universal Maximum Taxation"

that'll never happen.

 

"IF" is a big word.

 

True. A lot of republicans probably recognize this. But not all.

 

I'm waiting for the inevitable fast food excuse.

 

No he answered with what he's paying now, I asked how much MORE he was willing to pay. Did you even read the posts?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

 

You're worried about mass poverty, yet you celebrate the importation of millions of poor, uneducated, low skilled foreigners. All I see is Democrats creating a problem then act so morally and intellectually superior for caring oh so much for the plight of these poor people. Of course they want to take other peoples money and then pat themselves on the back for a job well done.

 

Soytinly! After all it worked for Cuba and Venezuela and the old Soviet Union and China . . . oh wait, no it didn't. Old Socialists/Marxists never die but they also never LEARN; and so they take over California to fork up that state as well.

 

I think they would eventually become criminals.

Also, since we chose to institute this system that left them behind, maybe they will one day wise up to it and demand recompense.

 

You have a very spotty understanding of history

Iranians did not revolt because they were being kept hungry by the shah

They revolted because they are muslim wackos and the shah was not

In vietnam the dispute was also political rather than economic

 

The welfare state offered them a pittance

Just enough to keep them alive without having to lift a finger to earn it

And the poor accepted it

which makes them as much responsible for their chronic transgenerational poverty as the bleeding heart liberals adminstering the welfare state

 

Knowing Californias stances and policies, I don't think this is going to be just for citizens.

 

The crippling 90% unemployment ended, the military became the juggernaut history remembers and Europe sans Germany was united under their rule.

 

Widespread industrial dumping was ended a long time ago.

Widespread handout abuse continues to this day.

The reason is we cracked down hard on one, and we rarely ever address the other with even the lightest of 'you still get your freebies' penalties.

And that's just the abuser side.

We also changed things on an administration level to make it harder for companies to dump their waste illegally; inspection checkpoints, registry of certain chemicals and byproducts, monitoring.

But we've instilled no such new controls to the handout systems to make sure free money is only used for essentials - in fact we've chipped away at the few we already had.

And now with this system of "universal basic income" there will be no limits on how the money is spent - even though they claim they will monitor it to see how its spent.

These handouts have gone from a temporary helping hand, to a generational dependency, to outright government endorsed theft via wealth distribution.

Do we, the working tax payer, not get anything in return?

Is it too much tot ask that we be afforded some sort of satisfaction for having a portion of our labor taken from us as if we were partial slaves?

 

yeah, poison may have been a poor choice of word, Try corrupting instead. Still not perfect though,

 

it wont work, cause every poor person for miles will want to move there, nice idea, but the reality is, they will be swamped by people wanting the $500

make it up to 500 tax credit off taxes paid and could work as then would only apply to those that work

but the reality is, most money spent by consumers is going overseas, most of the jobs from corps are going overseas

that is what really needs addressed.. foreign imports and foreign outsourcing are destroying the American way of life

 

you mean make the rich pay less tax per dollar they earn then the rest of us?

that pretty much already happens with tax loopholes

 

Hasn't Illinois already defaulted on its state lottery?

"We're like a banana republic. We can't manage our money," Gov. Bruce Rauner said after the Illinois Legislature failed to produce a full 2017 budget earlier this month.
The situation has prompted comparisons with Puerto Rico, which earlier this year announced a historic restructuring of some of its $70 billion in debt through courts after negotiations with bondholders failed."
CBS, Could Illinois be the first state to file for bankruptcy?, Illinois residents may feel some solidarity with the likes of Puerto Rico and Detroit., BY AIMEE PICCHI MONEYWATCH June 16, 2017.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/could-illinois-be-the-first-state-to-file-for-bankruptcy/